Message from @Alice Redacted

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2018-09-03 16:26:01 UTC  

and at what point in time?

2018-09-03 16:26:11 UTC  

Are these morals going to be stagnant, or are they going to develop over time?

2018-09-03 16:26:17 UTC  

Morals are relatively fluid and subjective

2018-09-03 16:26:24 UTC  

That is false

2018-09-03 16:26:26 UTC  

Do we teach stealing is always wrong, or only wrong in certain situations?

2018-09-03 16:26:36 UTC  

There's nuance there, after all

2018-09-03 16:27:02 UTC  

I mean, look at the Heinz dilemma

2018-09-03 16:27:09 UTC  

Also, morals heavily do vary

2018-09-03 16:27:11 UTC  

for example

2018-09-03 16:27:14 UTC  

I can't really, y'know

2018-09-03 16:27:17 UTC  

Own a person right now.

2018-09-03 16:27:29 UTC  

@Alice Redacted Aristotelian virtue isn't a list of rules, it's a list of qualities that a person has. In my view you teach children qualities like wisdom and courage - you don't for the most part tell them exactly what to think.

2018-09-03 16:27:31 UTC  

Slavery, as generally agreed upon, is bad

2018-09-03 16:27:38 UTC  

Today

2018-09-03 16:27:41 UTC  

what's wise? What's courageous?

2018-09-03 16:27:45 UTC  

@Alice Redacted I thought that's fluid and relative?

2018-09-03 16:27:52 UTC  

Wisdom to one might be foolish to another

2018-09-03 16:27:52 UTC  

A few hundred years ago its pretty much universally accepted

2018-09-03 16:28:01 UTC  

Courage to one might be idiocy to another

2018-09-03 16:28:37 UTC  

no a specific action might be courageous to one and idiotic to another

2018-09-03 16:28:49 UTC  

that's what I'm saying

2018-09-03 16:28:52 UTC  

the abstract concept of courage is agreed upon to be good

2018-09-03 16:29:01 UTC  

It's too abstract and has no applicable use

2018-09-03 16:29:07 UTC  

the question is how to apply that fact specifically

2018-09-03 16:29:10 UTC  

kind of like "virtue"

2018-09-03 16:29:16 UTC  

Don't confuse not being able to explain how bread is ultimately constituted with an inability to bake bread

2018-09-03 16:29:18 UTC  

Virtue is too vague of a term to have any real meaning

2018-09-03 16:29:35 UTC  

Also, why should we teach said subjects?

2018-09-03 16:29:38 UTC  

You can build virtue without having an atomic understanding of it in the way you suggest

2018-09-03 16:29:47 UTC  

What are you teaching then?

2018-09-03 16:29:57 UTC  

It seems to me as if you're merely just teaching a word

2018-09-03 16:30:01 UTC  

Praising a word

2018-09-03 16:30:07 UTC  

You teach virtue not through words, but by showing people how to muster their emotions to be disciplined

2018-09-03 16:30:31 UTC  

"muster their emotions to be disciplined"?

2018-09-03 16:30:39 UTC  

It's like strength training, there is a knowledge component in terms of skill, but they build that skill and they build their strength through practice

2018-09-03 16:30:41 UTC  

Are you implying that emotions must be cracked down upon?

2018-09-03 16:31:03 UTC  

That the very thing which separates man from beast must be destroyed

2018-09-03 16:31:25 UTC  

Animals most certainly have emotions

2018-09-03 16:31:50 UTC  

Oh, of course

2018-09-03 16:32:01 UTC  

they're certainly more fleshed out in humans, and we're able to express them to a greater degree

2018-09-03 16:32:06 UTC  

I'm talking in a more abstract sense, though