Message from @Summī Imperator, 呪い殿

Discord ID: 487390962994380800


2018-09-06 22:30:56 UTC  

This has nothing to do with the morality and justification of a thing, you are asking questions of application

2018-09-06 22:31:11 UTC  

And I never mentioned a document

2018-09-06 22:31:33 UTC  

I'm asking how is there a definite morality.

2018-09-06 22:32:07 UTC  

No you weren't

2018-09-06 22:32:18 UTC  

Yes, I was.

2018-09-06 22:32:34 UTC  

If there is an objective morality, what is it?

2018-09-06 22:32:40 UTC  

You asked about a document that would enforce the morality. Not how morality is definite

2018-09-06 22:33:01 UTC  

Holy, sweet Lord, give me strength.

2018-09-06 22:33:22 UTC  

A document would be the application of the morality

2018-09-06 22:33:52 UTC  

I asked those questions because you said it should not be a "who" that decides what is Just

2018-09-06 22:34:02 UTC  

Which implies it should be a what.

2018-09-06 22:34:18 UTC  

A paper is written by a who

2018-09-06 22:34:44 UTC  

Then, pray thee tell, do you suggest be proof of this objective morality?

2018-09-06 22:35:06 UTC  

That is a philosophical question

2018-09-06 22:35:33 UTC  

No, it is a question that directly relates to your *opinion* that there is an objective morality.

2018-09-06 22:35:44 UTC  

That there is one morality that presides all others.

2018-09-06 22:35:49 UTC  

And takes precedence.

2018-09-06 22:36:04 UTC  

I'm asking what it is, and how is it free from interpretation?

2018-09-06 22:36:15 UTC  

We should be able to logically deduce the objective morality, which is a question of philosophy.

2018-09-06 22:37:21 UTC  

Unfortunately, humans are not perfectly logical creatures. We cannot achieve perfect objectivity in our moral systems.

2018-09-06 22:37:40 UTC  

Morality is not logical as there is no system to validate what is moral, and immoral.

2018-09-06 22:38:22 UTC  

I already provided two: natural rights and evolutionary psychology

2018-09-06 22:38:51 UTC  

So, morality is a human concept, and as such you have argued against yourself in saying that humanity can never reach an objective morality, meaning it does not exist.

2018-09-06 22:39:11 UTC  

When did I say that?

2018-09-06 22:39:58 UTC  

Hmmm, "We cannot achieve perfect objectivity in our moral systems."

2018-09-06 22:40:26 UTC  

Because "humans are not perfectly logical creatures."

2018-09-06 22:40:35 UTC  

I already addressed this too, objective morality is the foundation for our moral systems

2018-09-06 22:40:52 UTC  

There is no objective morality.

2018-09-06 22:40:57 UTC  

There are no facts of it.

2018-09-06 22:41:09 UTC  

Nothing that proves it is.

2018-09-06 22:41:21 UTC  

There is only your opinion.

2018-09-06 22:41:31 UTC  

I have given standards to validate it

2018-09-06 22:42:06 UTC  

You dodged all my questions on the subjects of what is more right, and how it righteousness is dictated.

2018-09-06 22:42:42 UTC  

When did I dodge them? What were they?

2018-09-06 22:43:04 UTC  

What are natural rights?

2018-09-06 22:43:42 UTC  

And "evolutionary psychology" is just genetic memory.

2018-09-06 22:44:07 UTC  

So genetics are partly to determine what is moral?

2018-09-06 22:44:13 UTC  

To what extent?

2018-09-06 22:45:19 UTC  

And if that is so, not all humans are genetically identical, with so much variation, how is that a proper determinant?

2018-09-06 22:45:34 UTC  

Natural rights is the philosophical concept of the state of nature for an individual to be truly free from outside compulsion and force.

2018-09-06 22:45:44 UTC  

Then it's an opinion.