but I digress

You said the purpose of an organism is to spread its genes and this is the basis for morality. You argue that anything that isn't biologically utilitarian is immoral. This is fucking materialism. No way no how around it. If at any point I misrepresented you please explain why and how.

I think the problem is saying that they will have mental illness/disease

@The Big Oof so your morality, which you stated earlier was subjective, is that aborting your own children is moral?

It is a matter of probability

@Snakeisninja Aborting a baby with down syndrome is not the same as aborting a healthy baby

@εïз irma εïз I've explained at length why you misunderstand what materialism is. I see no reason to repeat myself again.

That is where the subjectivity comes in, because I would say in almost every circumstance it would be immoral

Guess you're just bad at explaining things.

aside from ones similar to the above

Fine, I will repost it again not sure what good that will do. This is the last time

materialism posits that everything is reducible to matter so to speak
I do not believe that matter is the fundamental substance in nature, and that all things, including mental aspects and consciousness, are results of material interactions.
I believe that matter is ONE fundamental substance in nature along with the imaterial

Aborting healthy babies is bad for obvious reasons

You should want your nation to have a large population

I you're still confused please reread my earlier posts.

Yes, you may not be a materialist. But your notion of morality is purely materialist. I don't know how these two ideas are at odds.

My notion of morality does NOT posit that everything is reducible to matter.

"You just don't understand me MOM" is not an argument.

***What is your moral system*** @εïз irma εïз

It could, to be fair, but it could just as easily not

maybe that should highlight the difference

@The Big Oof have you considered the health issues associated with the mother when she has an abortion?

Christian objectivism.

@εïз irma εïз Really? That's badass

I had no clue

Why are we fighting

@campodin Depends

Zexy and I will be bffs now

Depends on what?

Unrelated to Ayn Rand.

Darn I have to join vc on another server because I promised I would 😦

I would just say it's best to prevent people with down syndrome from existing

This has been a great discussion

Its a shame we couldn't get more into it but lets talk again

@The Big Oof why not just prevent them from reproducing?

Institutions have to be erected to care for them

Ayn Rand is based

Change my mind

Not really, many already exist, and parents do a lot of the caring for them themselves

You wouldn't need to change much atm

If you're a 17 y/o boy Ayn Rand is cool for two seconds.