Message from @L0GAN

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2018-09-09 00:51:31 UTC  

Change my mind

2018-09-09 00:51:52 UTC  

Not really, many already exist, and parents do a lot of the caring for them themselves

2018-09-09 00:52:24 UTC  

You wouldn't need to change much atm

2018-09-09 00:52:52 UTC  

If you're a 17 y/o boy Ayn Rand is cool for two seconds.

2018-09-09 00:52:58 UTC  

As much as I hate to say it, even Karl Marx is a better philosopher than Ayn Rand

2018-09-09 00:53:29 UTC  

Ayn Rand should lead the new world order

2018-09-09 00:54:54 UTC  

Imo objectivist use of "selfishness" is disingenuous

2018-09-09 00:56:49 UTC  

karl marx wasnt a bad philosopher

2018-09-09 00:56:56 UTC  

he just didnt realise communism wasnt practical at all

2018-09-09 00:58:02 UTC  

In other words a bad philosopher

2018-09-09 00:58:41 UTC  

it wasnt not practical because it was bad

2018-09-09 00:58:51 UTC  

it was not practical because it was too utopian in the way he said it

2018-09-09 00:59:16 UTC  

like communism in his definition is extremely utopian and unsustainable

2018-09-09 00:59:45 UTC  

in other definitions where theres an actual government it causes famines and other humane crisis and then lasts as long as a normal gov anyways so its bad

2018-09-09 01:00:24 UTC  

Yeah but caloric intake and literacy skyrocketed under the Soviets.

2018-09-09 01:00:33 UTC  

Same for China.

2018-09-09 01:00:55 UTC  

*but they did have to have massive famines and depressions*

2018-09-09 01:01:09 UTC  

They didn't have to though.

2018-09-09 01:01:28 UTC  

like communism isnt really a government its a way to achieve government

2018-09-09 01:01:35 UTC  

Are you suggesting that there's a causation between famines and eating more food???

2018-09-09 01:01:52 UTC  

unless yoru wanna go by marx's commie gov that had no gov at all and is overly utopian

2018-09-09 01:02:00 UTC  
2018-09-09 01:02:04 UTC  

more people to feed

2018-09-09 01:02:06 UTC  

more food needed

2018-09-09 01:02:31 UTC  

Yeah but the Soviets escaped the Malthusian trap by modernizing.

2018-09-09 01:02:38 UTC  

yeah

2018-09-09 01:02:42 UTC  

*thanks to papa joe*

2018-09-09 01:02:48 UTC  

You're outlining an effectively pre-revolution phenomenon.

2018-09-09 01:03:10 UTC  

so do you support communism or are you against it

2018-09-09 01:03:33 UTC  

No I just think that commies bad bcuz holodomor is excessively memey.

2018-09-09 01:04:04 UTC  

communism realistically should be considered a country that uses revolution to achieve a socialist government

2018-09-09 01:04:14 UTC  

not all that other impossible shit marx made up

2018-09-09 01:04:35 UTC  

so do you think revolution is the best way to establish socialism @εïз irma εïз

2018-09-09 01:04:57 UTC  

I think it's the only way.

2018-09-09 01:05:16 UTC  

Decadent liberal bureaucracies aren't going to bring socialism.

2018-09-09 01:05:55 UTC  

what about using social democracy or democratic socialism (whicver you prefer to call it) to slowly transition into it

2018-09-09 01:08:58 UTC  

That's exactly what I just said.

2018-09-09 01:09:24 UTC  

*but i phrased it differently to push an agenda*

2018-09-09 01:09:38 UTC  

*jokes on you foolish butterfly*

2018-09-09 01:10:43 UTC  

Which agenda?

2018-09-09 16:46:14 UTC  

@Euro-American Bandit use the correct format nignog