Message from @Draco

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2018-09-23 21:28:34 UTC  

Paying people to spend time with their family is the goal anyway, the movie thing was just a generic example

2018-09-23 21:29:06 UTC  

I know. But why do they need additional incentive to do this? We have a biological drive to have kids. Just because we have less kids, doesn't mean it's a problem.

2018-09-23 21:29:07 UTC  

" If it doesn't have to exist, it shouldn't."

Monuments don't have to exist, but they do

2018-09-23 21:29:24 UTC  

People used to have LOTS of kids in the past, just saying we have less doesn't expose a problem.

2018-09-23 21:29:43 UTC  

I was speaking specifically about government incentives.

2018-09-23 21:31:51 UTC  

If women were not forced to be a part of the economy, then perhaps there wouldn't need to be one.

But I don't see why it's harmful to create a family driven society, to which the response would be "Well, in the past we had one without such programs," and we did, but things are different from then and now, because now you are much more independent from your family

2018-09-23 21:32:12 UTC  

It's harmful because it violates the liberty of employers.

2018-09-23 21:32:33 UTC  

But this surface level fascist thought is pointless to argue, *why is this your view on the role of government?*

2018-09-23 21:33:17 UTC  

Fascist thought is rooted in the idea that nationalism cannot exist without a strong government and a top down approach

2018-09-23 21:33:25 UTC  

That statement has a lot of truth to it

2018-09-23 21:33:43 UTC  

Get down to why.

2018-09-23 21:33:54 UTC  

Why do you want the world to be this way.

2018-09-23 22:26:08 UTC  

What you want on a society needs to be incentivised and what you don't want disincentivised. You cannot get people to do something without a top down approach. And if people make right choices themselves, then there would be no need for any debate ever.

2018-09-23 22:27:38 UTC  

Government's role is not to protect liberties, property and life and health. It is to issue directives and make people behave a certain way.

2018-09-23 22:27:55 UTC  

Lol some woke black man from Zimbabwe is trying to get me to show my face

2018-09-23 23:45:09 UTC  

show him your face

2018-09-24 00:06:15 UTC  

People should be free do to as they please and they should be protected by the state in their endeavours. Nothing top down necessary.

2018-09-24 01:09:38 UTC  

*alright class, pull out your copy of The Doctrine of Fascism by Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile*

2018-09-24 01:10:05 UTC  

*ehem*

2018-09-24 01:10:18 UTC  

"Whenever respect for the State declines and the disintegrating and centrifugal tendencies of individuals and groups prevail, nations are headed for decay"

2018-09-24 06:47:10 UTC  

So, basically, what you are arguing for Zayan is that government, which is run on tax dollars protect people's liberty. But there is no reason why a person who does not agree with a said liberty would want his tax paid dollars being used to protect that endeavor. The only way he would, then, is if he is forced. So, basically libertarianism is nothing but a government program to protect degeneracy.

2018-09-24 13:39:31 UTC  

left

2018-09-24 13:39:32 UTC  

to the right

2018-09-24 13:39:34 UTC  

ake me famous

2018-09-24 16:13:55 UTC  

yes @Draco

2018-09-24 23:33:46 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452955238186614794/493928062107516948/s5rraj4d2h0z.png

2018-09-24 23:34:58 UTC  

@everyone Daily Question 🔖

Do you prefer a more centralized government, or a more decentralized, local government?

2018-09-24 23:35:12 UTC  

centralized

2018-09-24 23:35:17 UTC  

No gods or kings, only man.

2018-09-24 23:35:24 UTC  

Depends on the country.

2018-09-24 23:35:27 UTC  

decentralized

2018-09-24 23:35:37 UTC  

yeah i mean if its a federal republic decentrilized works best

2018-09-24 23:35:49 UTC  

no u

2018-09-24 23:35:55 UTC  

Decentralized

2018-09-24 23:37:24 UTC  

Well decentralizations works as in to give mayors more power right?

2018-09-24 23:37:45 UTC  

Thats a good thing but you have to be wary of separatists

2018-09-24 23:37:54 UTC  

decentrilized is bassicly the usa

2018-09-24 23:37:59 UTC  

or any federal republic

2018-09-24 23:38:02 UTC  

like yugoslavia

2018-09-24 23:38:02 UTC  

federalism should be balanced

2018-09-24 23:38:08 UTC  

i think the us system works there