Message from @SilverLining

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2018-10-13 22:34:41 UTC  

Does your nationalism extend to migrants who are patriotic in the nation

2018-10-13 22:34:46 UTC  

or is it based on "blood and soil"?

2018-10-13 22:34:49 UTC  

Or something akin to that

2018-10-13 22:34:53 UTC  

but for the sake of this conversation, let's just say I am

2018-10-13 22:34:55 UTC  

or "a shared heritage"

2018-10-13 22:35:15 UTC  

Alright, well, ethno-nationalism (and generally the beliefs surrounding it), contradict my own ideals

2018-10-13 22:35:30 UTC  

Well, the thing is few migrants are patriotic to the nation

2018-10-13 22:35:32 UTC  

And contrast what would support my personal best interests...

2018-10-13 22:35:50 UTC  

I mean, hostility towards migrants tends to do that

2018-10-13 22:36:12 UTC  

Are they ever at fault?

2018-10-13 22:36:20 UTC  

Or are they always victims?

2018-10-13 22:36:24 UTC  

The mere act of being a migrant doesn't place one at fault, no

2018-10-13 22:36:40 UTC  

lol

2018-10-13 22:36:48 UTC  

Who let them in?

2018-10-13 22:37:00 UTC  

Who passed legislation against discrimination

2018-10-13 22:37:04 UTC  

It varies depending on which group you mean

2018-10-13 22:37:14 UTC  

And even then, societal attitudes differ

2018-10-13 22:38:09 UTC  

For instance, America conquered much of its southern and western territories from Mexico - there wasn't migration, and thus, any who lingered from that time, staying in their place of birth were already here, and thus, face discrimination for no reason more or less

2018-10-13 22:38:15 UTC  

But of course, in the case of actual migrants

2018-10-13 22:39:18 UTC  

Generally free will - Governmental programs needed to help the states (like the Braceros program) - An economically forced migration north (As in, crushing poverty, possibly starvation, and minimal healthcare if one chooses to remain in an area) - Or just deciding to move anyways

2018-10-13 22:40:36 UTC  

While migrating to another nation isn't a right (the whole concept of rights are abstract/made up anyways, but that's the case with most things, like borders, or the very state itself), freedom of movement independent of birth status is an ethic nearly universally held

2018-10-13 22:41:24 UTC  

However, just because a government permits some migration doesn't mean society holds equally tolerant attitudes

2018-10-13 22:41:34 UTC  

Alright, so they're never victims no matter what they do.

2018-10-13 22:41:39 UTC  

*they're always

2018-10-13 22:41:44 UTC  

No?

2018-10-13 22:41:51 UTC  

How do you take that away from what I'm saying?

2018-10-13 22:41:58 UTC  

Because that was what you were asked

2018-10-13 22:42:06 UTC  

"Are they ever at fault?"

2018-10-13 22:42:07 UTC  

"Who let them in?"

2018-10-13 22:42:11 UTC  

"Who passed legisilation?"

2018-10-13 22:42:14 UTC  

I'm describing a history

2018-10-13 22:42:18 UTC  

also pardon the type, *legislation

2018-10-13 22:42:35 UTC  

If a migrant commits a crime, then that individual migrant is at fault.

2018-10-13 22:43:01 UTC  

Anyhow, as I was saying

2018-10-13 22:43:15 UTC  

Societal attitudes most certainly are discriminatory, despite a supposedly egalitarian government

2018-10-13 22:43:21 UTC  

And moreover, the government isn't entirely egalitarian itself

2018-10-13 22:43:34 UTC  

And if a group of migrants is more criminal than the native population? Is it the native population's fault?

2018-10-13 22:43:58 UTC  

That wasn't what those questions meant, by the way

2018-10-13 22:44:02 UTC  

In addition to prohibitive costs preventing many from legally migrating, and not to mention often discrimination

2018-10-13 22:44:15 UTC  

It isn't.

2018-10-13 22:44:18 UTC  

"It sure seems like white people are bad at discrimination when they go out of their way to prevent it"