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Tariffs aren't economically beneficial, they decrease the amount of international trade, which, by its very nature, leads to increased productivity

They can be effective morally, though such moral tariffs aren't in place (eg, placing high tariffs on monarchies or autocracies, countries which permit slave labor, or countries with poor ecological standards)

shut up tard

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I have been destroyed by FACTS and LOGIC

Tariffs just shift the time scale of benefits, theoretically. Nothing else. And what the heck is a moral tariff? Tariff on countries having different type of government?

Tariffs on countries which treat laborers/citizens unethically

and they don't shift the time scale, they just produce benefits

Shifting the maximum potential productivity scales outwards

Specialization tends to do that

That is simply not true. Let us say all countries have equal tariffs. So who is losing out?

non-governmental entities

Lol, on equal tariffs, there would be no net change in competition. It shows that you don't know how economics works

people looking to buy international goods more widely available in other states

In competition, sure

But it'd still cost more to purchase goods for the average citizen or producer

or raw materials*

Yes, It would cost more. That money would go to government and then again to public. So, what changed?

We're also supposing equal tariffs on all sides which isn't entirely the case

but even then, the diffusion of money back to the public isn't... ensured to be in beneficial manners

That is a case to explain it better. In reality,money is never lost. It comes back in some or the other manner. The only delay theoretically, is time delay.

Even if money is used in social welfare, it is in hands of another person, who will spend it. And it will come back in system

As in, you run the risk of governmental corruption in addition to funding malevolent portions of the government (depending on the type of state, surveillance against citizens, excessive militaries, law enforcement, etc)

You are talking about wrong people getting money. That is different than what I am talking about. It does not matter who has those billions of dollars. It would be spent one day or invested and would come back in system.

It won't magically disappear.

Yes, but this is a risk with tariffs

One which does not exist within an unobstructed market

The point is that does not change nation's economy. Let us say that Bill Gates earn $100 trillion because of monopoly. Then, he would spend it. The nations economy would suffer from zero effect of Bill Gates acquiring of money by unethical or even illegal means.

I'd encourage taxation on said gains, rather than outright tariffs

Perhaps... stratified tariffs, even

Just not flat tariff rates

Flat tariff rates would harm the poor more than the rich

It's why I oppose VATs

So, basically it is a form of pro-poor argument?

To some degree, yes

In addition to an argument of increased productivity, and thus general living standards

That is a myth perpetuated by free marketers. There is no theoretical argument for that.

Specialization's ability to improved productivity is well known