Message from @Da_Fish

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2018-07-29 19:57:26 UTC  

Nation state has been around since the agricultural revolution

2018-07-29 19:57:34 UTC  

Except it hasn't.

2018-07-29 19:57:37 UTC  

Name one.

2018-07-29 19:57:51 UTC  

Egypt

2018-07-29 19:57:56 UTC  

LMAO

2018-07-29 19:57:58 UTC  

China

2018-07-29 19:57:59 UTC  

Terrible example, because it's false.

2018-07-29 19:58:01 UTC  

China???????

2018-07-29 19:58:06 UTC  

Those are not nation states.

2018-07-29 19:58:08 UTC  

Persia

2018-07-29 19:58:13 UTC  

wtffff

2018-07-29 19:58:18 UTC  

these are all nation states

2018-07-29 19:58:19 UTC  

Stop, let me address how you're wrong one at a time.

2018-07-29 19:58:31 UTC  

they have an authority and border

2018-07-29 19:58:38 UTC  

Egypt's identity was religious and shifted through time, the nation was embodied by the dynasty.

2018-07-29 19:58:44 UTC  

no

2018-07-29 19:58:47 UTC  

Persia really has no national identity.

2018-07-29 19:58:52 UTC  

Yes. You are simply blatantly wrong.

2018-07-29 19:58:57 UTC  

those are or where nations

2018-07-29 19:59:01 UTC  

Persia was routinely conquered by foreign entities.

2018-07-29 19:59:09 UTC  

routinely

2018-07-29 19:59:10 UTC  

no

2018-07-29 19:59:10 UTC  

There was no national identity to speak of.

2018-07-29 19:59:15 UTC  

Yes, routinely.

2018-07-29 19:59:29 UTC  

Muh nations came around in 1850

2018-07-29 19:59:36 UTC  

no thats not a thing

2018-07-29 19:59:39 UTC  

Jalayirids, Mongols, Gokturks, Oghuzi Turks, Scythians.

2018-07-29 19:59:43 UTC  

Persia has repeatedly been conquered.

2018-07-29 19:59:45 UTC  

look at european empires

2018-07-29 19:59:56 UTC  

they had nationalism for as long as they where around

2018-07-29 20:00:00 UTC  

look at mercantilism

2018-07-29 20:02:56 UTC  

Mercantilism was based on the acquirement of resources.

2018-07-29 20:03:00 UTC  

Has nothing to do with nationalism.

2018-07-29 20:03:22 UTC  

How about we start by you defining what a nation state is because it clearly is not what an actual nation state is if you think Persia and Egypt and China were nation states.

2018-07-29 20:05:58 UTC  

France was not even a nation before the French Revolution. It was numerous languages and *communal* cultures. People did not speak "French" outside of the Ile-de-France.

2018-07-29 20:06:01 UTC  

Same thing in China.

2018-07-29 20:06:28 UTC  

Mandarin, the word itself, refers to the court language of the Qing dynasty. People did not speak Mandarin. There were various local languages. Same as France.

2018-07-29 20:06:34 UTC  

There was no national identity to speak of.

2018-07-29 20:06:39 UTC  

You are simply historically incorrect on this.

2018-07-29 20:07:24 UTC  

The word Mandarin literally comes from the Portuguese word for minister.

2018-07-29 20:08:48 UTC  

Egypt did not really have a collective identity until the Muslim conquests, and thereafter it had a religious identity just like European states did until the erosion of that form of identity by the Westphalian system and the secularization of Europe by liberalism in the 18th and 19th centuries, giving birth to actual ethnolinguistic identities.