Message from @L0GAN
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Mandarin, the word itself, refers to the court language of the Qing dynasty. People did not speak Mandarin. There were various local languages. Same as France.
There was no national identity to speak of.
You are simply historically incorrect on this.
The word Mandarin literally comes from the Portuguese word for minister.
Egypt did not really have a collective identity until the Muslim conquests, and thereafter it had a religious identity just like European states did until the erosion of that form of identity by the Westphalian system and the secularization of Europe by liberalism in the 18th and 19th centuries, giving birth to actual ethnolinguistic identities.
Which was fostered by increased communication and standardization of language.
To further my point Egypt was not even ruled by Egyptians during the Mamluk period. The Mamluks were first Turks under the Bahris and then Circassians under the Burjis, who controlled the Ayyubid caliph as a figurehead to maintain order.
Notice something there? The caliph is a religious figure.
Religious identity more than anything was the defining characteristic of national character and therefore the precursor of the nation state, which in most cases only arose in the 19th century.
Think about this
How did mercantilism call for wealth do be kept?
The cosmopolitan nature of countries like Egypt and China and France disallowed an ethnolinguistic identity to form.
By classes
by people
or by a __nation__
I gtg
You mean countries competed for wealth as they have been forever? This is not a convincing argument for the existence of the nation state.
You are retroactively defining the country as a nation where it doesn't exist.
Again, you're just wrong.
Would love to continue this later.
@Da_Fish You physically cannot win an argument against Zexy, she will not allow it wether your stance is correct or incorrect,
Submit to her dominance
<@&452955176354054172> : DDDD
*I’m not the one who asked my boyfriend to get socialists allowed as staff so I could me staff, now am I?*
I'm not either. That was Josh's idea, and he's married. So not my boyfriend.
Nor am I really a socialist.
This is just more low-effort bait, Logan.
Just admit it, You do not like to be wrong
whoa
Oof
what is that @Deleted User
Genetic population clusters and regional association
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Races
Thought I posted more
@Deleted User Where are the britons or the dutch?
@Da_Fish You have to find a depth look at Europe
@Deleted User I find this map to be the most accurate
lol
close enough