Millers were right

^correct response to someone saying they will kill you

Criminal record of guy who was shot

@campodin I knew the shooting was justified, but I thought the incident itself may have been avoidable.

After seeing his criminal record, they really did do the right thing. Sucks that their names and faces are now in newspaper articles accusing them of murder

That Aaron guy attacked the dad with a bat, not sure if you saw, but it was 100% deserved

it was out of the view of the camera, but if you pause before he was shot, you can the guy striking at one of them

Yeah, and if you read more about Aaron he regularly got into altercations with police and was aggressive when not on his medication.

Hot take: It doesn't matter what one is capable of (or what the mean of their group is) - they should still be treated equally, with the same rights and initial starting point as others

@SilverLining Hot take

why should they?

@The Big Oof Hot take

Because the mean is a heavily deceptive number

and also, arguably more importantly, because we should strive to produce the most happiness - the most pleasure - for the most people

What kind of groups are we talking about? And what is "an equal starting point?"

Is everyone equal before the law, or do you mean equally financially speaking? Are we talking about foreigners or your own people?

Those are all different questions

" we should strive to produce the most happiness - the most pleasure - for the most people"

This is what everyone strives for

This is what fascists strive for

This is what Marxists strive for

This is what liberals strive for

Heavily debateable

Actually not even debateable, just false

Kinda don't think Hitler wanted to make der Juden happy

Kinda don't think white supremacists care much about how happy non-whites are

and both before the law and financially, more or less

As without one or the other, such equity won't exist

Counterpoint: What did Hitler think eliminating the Jews would do for everyone else? @SilverLining

He thought it would make the world better, no?

He strove to make Aryans/Germanics happy

Not all people

I mean, he didn't intend to eliminate the slavs, iirc

he intended to use them as slave labor

It's striving to increase the happiness of a particular group

Rather than of everyone

"Kinda don't think white supremacists care much about how happy non-whites are"

You're looking at it the wrong way, they believe helping other races is going to harm more people than help

So like

Lynching African Americans isn't making African Americans less happy

You can easily argue they intend to make certain subsets happier

But not humanity as a whole