Message from @Draco
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Uh
Is that existant?
The mind
Which is material
on materialism
It arises from the material
Doesn't mean it has to be material itself
Are you an epiphenonmenalist?
All materialism means is that the material is a first order reality
You cannot claim that a second order reality is more ideal than first order reality
Lord
The ideal is subject and secondary to the material
I don't think you know what "ideal" means. Ideal =/= mental
It is the realm of the mind, consciousness and *ideas*
The question of idealism vs materialism is the question as to weather matter is an extension of, created by or subject to the mind, or the other way around
You seriously are using terms very loosely. Materialists do not believe that ideal is second level reality. They believe that it does not exist.
Mostly that is the case
Well, there might be few exceptions but if we are talking about fringes then it is very hard to use any terms without defining them
It is a capitulation by materialists to even offer ground to mind dependence
The social constructivist can only differ with essentialist if he claims that the ideal human nature changes. But either he does not believe in the existence of ideals or he cannot show that it changes.
We know that social constructivistism is false in the way it is used most often, because we can show that much of behaviour is innate through genetic and biological studies.
However, if the constructivist wants to just claim that humans change, then there is no disagreement with Essentialists as Essenetialists do not deny that
Marx would call that vulgar materialism Draco
It seems to me you haven't really read our positions
I actually have. The point is that you want everything crucial to be defined the way Marx did. AT best you will prove that Marx was coherent.
Marx is not the biggest materialist thinker. Why don't you get your materialist thinking from the biggest names? Why you try to get every position from Marx?
Karl Marx?
Who do you think is the best thinker and proponent of Materialism?
It surely isn't Karl Marx
Wish I knew what you guys were talking about
Social Constructivism and Essentialism
I'm not a materialist nor constructivist in the sense much of the rest of these are
I'm a dialectical materialist
I start from a basis of dialectical materialism and work from there
Yeah never learned that in school lol
have no idea what that is
Ok, so why do you think "race realism" is untrue. Lets do this in a dialectical way.
Because largely it's post-hawk conclusions
What do you mean by post-hoc?
I do not think black people for example are any more inclined to commit crime naturally than white people for example. I do not think they are the same, obviously differences exist, but we have much reason to think it's environmental
Sorry post hoc
"I do not think they are the same, obviously differences exist, but we have much reason to think it's environmental"
Do you think a particular group of people can be genetically predisposed to aggression?