Message from @PebbЛe

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2018-11-11 04:31:44 UTC  

but i think it's more of the seemingly mystical awe that eschatology and marxist palingenesis both inspire

2018-11-11 04:34:49 UTC  

Religious morality generally is about sacrificing the individual to God, an entity that one cannot see or touch, but is expected to sacrifice, do their commandments and follow God's wishes. Similarly, I think it could be argued that the Proletarian could be in a way an entity-type figure with similar responsibilities of the individual.

2018-11-11 04:35:49 UTC  

That's kind of what I was trying to say but fleshed out more

2018-11-11 04:36:47 UTC  

Wow, worship of man. Reminds me of Nietzsche’s übermensch concept.

2018-11-11 04:37:00 UTC  

That’s very interesting @Shalopy

2018-11-11 04:37:13 UTC  

Never thought of genuine proletarians that way

2018-11-11 04:37:25 UTC  

I’d quite like that.

2018-11-11 04:37:34 UTC  

this is not a precedent

2018-11-11 04:38:12 UTC  

Huh, never heard of that before.

2018-11-11 04:38:51 UTC  

*The Soviet man was to be selfless, learned, healthy, muscular, and enthusiastic in spreading the socialist Revolution. Adherence to Marxism-Leninism, and individual behavior consistent with that philosophy's prescriptions, were among the crucial traits expected of the New Soviet man, which required intellectualism and hard discipline. He was not driven by crude impulses of nature but by conscious self-mastery, a belief that required the rejection of both innate personality and the unconscious, which Soviet psychologists therefore rejected.*

*The New Soviet Woman was a Superwoman who balanced competing responsibilities and took on the burden of multiple roles: Communist citizen, full-time worker, wife and mother.*

2018-11-11 04:54:47 UTC  

Interesting. A rejection of the unconscious. I don't think we're technologically advanced enough to implement Communism. I will have to talk about Ulrichs to my Marxist Sociology professor though, he seems to be one of the inter-sectional kind.

2018-11-11 04:59:24 UTC  

@Shalopy lucky for you there is a dedicated Marxist economist and computer scientist named Paul Cockshott who has large amounts of work done on its practicality today and the effectiveness that is available with current computing as far as planning and developments go

2018-11-11 05:01:06 UTC  

I'll definitely look into that. I also found a quote from Marx on Religion that's interesting: In the "Wages of Labour" (1844), Marx wrote, "To develop in greater spiritual freedom, a people must break their bondage to their bodily needs – they must cease to be the slaves of the body. They must, above all, have time at their disposal for spiritual creative activity and spiritual enjoyment."

2018-11-11 05:03:07 UTC  

@PebbЛe What are your thoughts to the preceding quote from Marx?

2018-11-11 05:04:23 UTC  

Also, what are your thoughts on Revolution, if you think it's necessary, and if not, what are some alternatives?

2018-11-11 05:06:52 UTC  

I think it's an excellent quote

2018-11-11 05:07:05 UTC  

and revolution is absolutely necessary

2018-11-11 05:07:31 UTC  

socialism will not come about by total concession of the bourgeois class

2018-11-11 05:07:35 UTC  

Was marxist transhumanist

2018-11-11 05:09:06 UTC  

Transhumanism was not a 19th century idea commonly promulgated so i doubt it

2018-11-11 05:09:36 UTC  

"To develop in greater spiritual freedom, a people must break their bondage to their bodily needs – they must cease to be the slaves of the body"

2018-11-11 05:09:48 UTC  

seems super transhumanist in today's context

2018-11-11 05:10:08 UTC  

As in violent revolution? If it was put in place by the people in power, it would definitely be corrupted I guess.

What are your thoughts on the German Democratic Republic as well?

2018-11-11 05:10:26 UTC  

there is no reason to think it is transhumanist @Doctor Anon

2018-11-11 05:10:55 UTC  

@Shalopy violent revolution, from a simple general strike and lockout to terrorism

2018-11-11 05:11:23 UTC  

and the DDR sucked

2018-11-11 05:12:34 UTC  

So keeping the civilian population armed is a good thing and can help either stave off a tyrannical government, or allow the citizens to rise against the government in regards to Marxism?

2018-11-11 05:13:18 UTC  
2018-11-11 05:15:13 UTC  

The proletariat should always be armed to perpetuate their omniscience as the superstructure or pursue class antagonism in the attempt to reach it

2018-11-11 05:16:23 UTC  

And how would the proletarian versus bourgeoisie classes be distinguished?

2018-11-11 05:16:37 UTC  

social relations of production

2018-11-11 05:17:38 UTC  

Yes, yes. I forgot.

2018-11-11 05:20:46 UTC  

`the sum total of social relationships that people must enter into in order to survive, to produce, and to reproduce their means of life. As people must enter into these social relationships, i.e. because participation in them is not voluntary, the totality of these relationships constitute a relatively stable and permanent structure, the "economic structure". `

2018-11-11 07:49:13 UTC  

Why did I get 8 pings

2018-11-11 19:06:04 UTC  

Lwhy did I get no pings? Let's start a discussion

2018-11-11 19:06:55 UTC  

What do you think about eating greens with all those insecticides and pesticides

2018-11-11 19:16:55 UTC  

shur up

2018-11-11 21:03:49 UTC  

@Jack12 I only eat reds.

2018-11-11 21:14:52 UTC  

cant even debate one

2018-11-12 02:02:39 UTC  

@Da_Fish stop pinging me commie sucker