also weight to an extent

Well that "pistol" is just as compact

Unless carbines have the same barrel length as full sized rifles, this seems like a cheap alternative

I'm sure it does an alright job at most things, but I would not want to be in a modern firefight without a full length stock and an optic

cheap yes

that's why insurgents love them

my grandpa taught me about the importance of relying on iron sites because "an optic can get cracked, run out of batteries, or glint and give away your position. An ironight won't."

That is true, I've always liked shooting with iron sights better

but modern optics are very good

I don't deny that, but still.

the stock I understand because keeping your gun steady is upmost improtance.

comfortable cheek weld too

but optics are a bit unreliable. The more parts a thing has, the more things can go wrong with it.

Fuck, my dad bought an eotech knock off and the thing died after every shot because of the recoil shifting the battery

You are overstating their failure rate I think. Modern armies use optics for everything, many day optics do not need batteries, and night vision is too important to forgo

I would just rather not pit my irons against another soldier's optic if my life was on the line

Night vision I agree with

for a long time our military ran 90% of raids at night

because we had the stuff and they did not

I just have bad luck when it comes down to it. I know that the moment I get into a firefight my optic will fuck up and I'll be dead.

Night vision is also expensive as hell

4000 dollars a scope, fuck that

it's the first thing I'd blow money on if I was going up against a modern military or militarized police

before armor probably

I'd prefer numbers and more guns

Numbers do not necessarily provide power.

with bottomless manpower you can afford to do a lot of things wrong

I assumed we were outfitting a small force here

🤔

we have 50 men

I would buy 50 optics

that is a very small force

Who has 50 men?

that's it and we need to make expensive armor first, then use reminding money on guns

🤔

nah armor is a meme for people with lots of money

@Koninos hypothetical jin roh armor stampede

Lol.

if cash is an issue you can't do the jin roh thing period

it's an autistic moneysink you do for the crazy press coverage

I just prefer armor and cheaper guns than more expensive guns and optics.