Should I die, or my child

My Grandma almost died having my Mom

she chose her daughter, but thankfully, she lived

You fail to see the societal and long term implications of allowing murder as a viable solution to this problem

You know, not allowing somebody to live, and let her straight fucking die, while we have the technology to save her, is also a murder.

The trolley lever problen

No one here is saying abortion on demand. We are saying that banning it in every case is impractical and wrong.

^

There's a difference between allowing someone to die, and killing someone

This is similar to the medical weed issue.

"Allowing". Banning Abortion leaves her no choice but to die.

There's no thing such as "allow" if we ban abortion.

Doctor: "Alright Jimmy, we have this oil that could prevent you from having a seizure every day, but its banned"
Kid: "So I can't have the safe oil and have to keep suffering, even though there is no evidence to say this is harmful?"
Doctor: "Correct."

The CBD argument

^And if that occasion leads to death, it is considered a *murder*.

@4042 In the case of mortality, what would stop a woman from going into a back alley with a coathanger and having some dude do it.

Maybe, I'll live if this guy does it with a hanger, but I have no chance if I carry the baby.

@Da_Fish Normalization is not the same as it being illegal

In addition, normalization makes it more common

No one is saying abortion is a happy go lucky thing, it isn't. We are simply stating that in certain circumstances, it is in the best interests for everyone.

"Everyone" being? A small minority of uninformed women who are at the risk of death?

At the cost of normalization of murder, the benefits are not being outweighed

Let's say you're a woman.

You're pregnant.

You're about to die.

They offer you to abort your fetus.

What do you do? Straight fucking DIE, or abort it?

**ABORT**

You confuse individual desicion making with societal repercussions

No darling, this is common sense.

Normalizing abortion is worse

We are talking about the legality of abortion, not its normalization.

Same thing

Even though its normalization is not that bad in certain circumstances (pex death).

Certainly bad in this one

Letting someone who is about to fucking die make the choice <:unequal:473954748517842954> Normalization

Definitely not, @4042

Fetus or Woman?

Woman, 100%

Normalization of degeneracy has always led to it's expansion. Look at homosexuals, that mess evolved into the introduction of transexuality into school classrooms. I'm not sure what makes you so eager to see where something like abortion may lead us.

"I wonder where the next step might take us"