Many mothers are still dying nowadays because of pregnancy, so it still is the thing.

Modern medicine is not the key to everything.

Normalizing murder is worse than allowing someone to die

Abortion =/= Murder

Especially under cercertain circumstances.

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Whatever, you get my point.

Well, it is murder, so obviously the debate ends here.

Would you rather the Mother die or the fetus?

That kid is going to grow up with no mom and probably no stable family life

No it doesn't, since you're trying to prove that Abortion should be always illegal, and you haven't presented any serious arguments yet, really.

Also, @Da_Fish has a point.

I think it should be the woman's choice

@Da_Fish It's not about who gets to live, it's about if you let someone die or if you killed someone

Should I die, or my child

My Grandma almost died having my Mom

she chose her daughter, but thankfully, she lived

You fail to see the societal and long term implications of allowing murder as a viable solution to this problem

You know, not allowing somebody to live, and let her straight fucking die, while we have the technology to save her, is also a murder.

The trolley lever problen

No one here is saying abortion on demand. We are saying that banning it in every case is impractical and wrong.

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There's a difference between allowing someone to die, and killing someone

This is similar to the medical weed issue.

"Allowing". Banning Abortion leaves her no choice but to die.

There's no thing such as "allow" if we ban abortion.

Doctor: "Alright Jimmy, we have this oil that could prevent you from having a seizure every day, but its banned"
Kid: "So I can't have the safe oil and have to keep suffering, even though there is no evidence to say this is harmful?"
Doctor: "Correct."

The CBD argument

^And if that occasion leads to death, it is considered a *murder*.

@4042 In the case of mortality, what would stop a woman from going into a back alley with a coathanger and having some dude do it.

Maybe, I'll live if this guy does it with a hanger, but I have no chance if I carry the baby.

@Da_Fish Normalization is not the same as it being illegal

In addition, normalization makes it more common

No one is saying abortion is a happy go lucky thing, it isn't. We are simply stating that in certain circumstances, it is in the best interests for everyone.

"Everyone" being? A small minority of uninformed women who are at the risk of death?

At the cost of normalization of murder, the benefits are not being outweighed

Let's say you're a woman.