Message from @Reb Trump

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2018-12-31 23:27:32 UTC  

I'm gonna look up the quote

2018-12-31 23:27:38 UTC  

it's in the picture

2018-12-31 23:27:52 UTC  

I came into the convo later

2018-12-31 23:28:07 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452955229227319306/529440647887847436/quote_-_founding_fathers_2.jpg

2018-12-31 23:28:12 UTC  

bottom

2018-12-31 23:31:27 UTC  

this:

2018-12-31 23:31:33 UTC  

"Real Christians will abstain from violating the rights of others, and therefore will not provoke war. Almost all nations have peace or war at the will and pleasure of rulers whom they do not elect, and who are not always wise or virtuous. Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest, of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."[44] He also expressed a belief that the moral precepts of Christianity were necessary for good government, saying, "No human society has ever been able to maintain both order and freedom, both cohesiveness and liberty apart from the moral precepts of the Christian Religion. Should our Republic ever forget this fundamental precept of governance, we will then, be surely doomed.

2018-12-31 23:32:39 UTC  

You're reaching with the agreed upon application and interpretation of that quote

2018-12-31 23:33:01 UTC  

it was in a letter to another individual

2018-12-31 23:33:13 UTC  

he's not the only founding father

2018-12-31 23:34:34 UTC  

had the founding fathers, as a consensus , agreed with not only that quote, but your intepretation of it , it would've been condified into law that only christians can get elected

2018-12-31 23:35:05 UTC  

but even reading the quote, it doesn't necessarily mean that

2018-12-31 23:35:40 UTC  

it reads like a proposal at the strongest and advice at the weakest

2018-12-31 23:36:17 UTC  

nevermind, that it easily includes jews

2018-12-31 23:36:55 UTC  

`and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest, of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."`

2018-12-31 23:37:23 UTC  

I see this as voting advice to the public

2018-12-31 23:38:02 UTC  

also

2018-12-31 23:38:08 UTC  

his justification for it

2018-12-31 23:38:14 UTC  

is this:

2018-12-31 23:38:20 UTC  

`"No human society has ever been able to maintain both order and freedom, both cohesiveness and liberty apart from the moral precepts of the Christian Religion.`

2018-12-31 23:38:44 UTC  

judaism is a minor religion ,statistically

2018-12-31 23:39:00 UTC  

and this wasn't a time when everyone kept saying "judeo-christian values"

2018-12-31 23:39:42 UTC  

Well, yeah, it certainly is advice. I'm not saying it's law.

2018-12-31 23:39:49 UTC  

I'm speaking to the philosophy behind it

2018-12-31 23:39:50 UTC  

but "the moral precepts of the Christian Religion." are almost surely from the old testament

2018-12-31 23:40:00 UTC  

jews satisfy that

2018-12-31 23:40:06 UTC  

also

2018-12-31 23:40:24 UTC  

this would preclude from electing atheist nonjewish whites

2018-12-31 23:40:40 UTC  

You're not taking this as I've meant it

2018-12-31 23:40:45 UTC  

yet, I'm sure that you'll argue

2018-12-31 23:41:05 UTC  

that the US shouldn't make attempts to deport white atheists

2018-12-31 23:41:15 UTC  

even though the advice is not to elect them

2018-12-31 23:41:32 UTC  

now, you're gonna tell me , this statement doesn't just apply to gov positions

2018-12-31 23:41:38 UTC  

but applies to all kind of power

2018-12-31 23:41:44 UTC  

such as power held by the rich

2018-12-31 23:41:50 UTC  

hollywood etc

2018-12-31 23:42:08 UTC  

Well, it's not like I really meant the quote and its philosophy in any way to be subject to this stuff anyway

2018-12-31 23:42:46 UTC  

and that those who are in hollywood , industry, and finance are also our "rulers"

2018-12-31 23:43:06 UTC  

that's a stretch that I don't accept

2018-12-31 23:43:12 UTC  

for the obvious reason

2018-12-31 23:43:23 UTC  

as it would fly in the face of the rest of americana