Message from @Doctor Anon
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If you had said that certain material conditions that precede fascism necessitate expansion, that would be respectable and I might even agree with you. But you're saying that imperialism is an inherently fascist ideal which it isn't.
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@L0GAN You need to watch more penguinz0
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Fascism is liberal now?
Its socialist...
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You equate liberalism... to socialism???
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leftism= liberalism
Liberalism is a stepping stone for socialism
leftism= socialism
Communists fucking hate liberals, and the only "socialists" that label themselves liberals are democratic socialists.
And Sorel directly criticized democratic socialists as betraying proletariat interests, namely Jaures.
Communists arent really socialists tbh
uhhhhh
but
theyre about just as socialist
as fascism is
"Communism, socialism, call it what you like, there's very little difference in the 2" -aint i right
if not less
Socialism is when the means of production are publicly owned. Communism is the ultimate manifestation of that, in a stateless society with no bourgeoisie and only proletariats.
Again, you really don't know what you're talking about. You're just saying words and hoping they stick.
And you have to insult again...
No, I am simply pointing out that you are not making any sense.
Stop being so quick to play the victim card. It'll get old quick.
"EEE THATS NOT REAL SOCIALISM"
Socialism calls for a big government
Communism calls for no government.
Socialism doesnt have to be "ALL MEANS OF PRODUCTION ARE OWNED BY THE GOVERNMENT"
Communism calls for a 1984 government
No, it doesn't.
You're thinking of Marxism-Leninism.
"Communism can be summed up in one sentence. The elimination of private property" -Marx, The Communist Manifesto
Marxism-Leninism was the synthesis of Marx and Lenin's ideals on how to build a **socialist state**, which, ultimately, withers away into a communist society which is stateless and operates on the basis of proletariat confederates.
@L0GAN You're confusing government ownership with proletariat ownership. Bordiga criticized the USSR as state capitalist because the state owned everything but there was still a class-based society and people still used capital.
This is the origin of the "not real communism" argument.
And if you want to be strictly orthodox to Marx real communism has never existed. That doesn't mean it's a good thing, it just means it isn't achievable.
The USSR was a socialist state, nominally transitional.
The USSR was communist aswell...