Message from @Doctor Anon

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2018-06-21 08:43:59 UTC  

If you had said that certain material conditions that precede fascism necessitate expansion, that would be respectable and I might even agree with you. But you're saying that imperialism is an inherently fascist ideal which it isn't.

2018-06-21 08:43:59 UTC  

Im watching his video, one sec

2018-06-21 08:44:07 UTC  

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2018-06-21 08:44:33 UTC  

@L0GAN You need to watch more penguinz0

2018-06-21 08:44:36 UTC  

absoulute legend

2018-06-21 08:44:39 UTC  

Fascism is liberal now?

2018-06-21 08:44:46 UTC  

Its socialist...

2018-06-21 08:44:51 UTC  

^

2018-06-21 08:45:00 UTC  

You equate liberalism... to socialism???

2018-06-21 08:45:03 UTC  

🤔

2018-06-21 08:45:15 UTC  

leftism= liberalism

2018-06-21 08:45:17 UTC  

Liberalism is a stepping stone for socialism

2018-06-21 08:45:23 UTC  

leftism= socialism

2018-06-21 08:45:34 UTC  

Communists fucking hate liberals, and the only "socialists" that label themselves liberals are democratic socialists.

2018-06-21 08:45:53 UTC  

And Sorel directly criticized democratic socialists as betraying proletariat interests, namely Jaures.

2018-06-21 08:45:56 UTC  

Communists arent really socialists tbh

2018-06-21 08:46:04 UTC  

uhhhhh

2018-06-21 08:46:14 UTC  

but

2018-06-21 08:46:27 UTC  

theyre about just as socialist

2018-06-21 08:46:30 UTC  

as fascism is

2018-06-21 08:46:31 UTC  

"Communism, socialism, call it what you like, there's very little difference in the 2" -aint i right

2018-06-21 08:46:32 UTC  

if not less

2018-06-21 08:46:32 UTC  

Socialism is when the means of production are publicly owned. Communism is the ultimate manifestation of that, in a stateless society with no bourgeoisie and only proletariats.

2018-06-21 08:46:47 UTC  

Again, you really don't know what you're talking about. You're just saying words and hoping they stick.

2018-06-21 08:46:59 UTC  

And you have to insult again...

2018-06-21 08:47:13 UTC  

No, I am simply pointing out that you are not making any sense.

2018-06-21 08:47:23 UTC  

Stop being so quick to play the victim card. It'll get old quick.

2018-06-21 08:47:25 UTC  

"EEE THATS NOT REAL SOCIALISM"

2018-06-21 08:47:31 UTC  

Socialism calls for a big government

2018-06-21 08:47:43 UTC  

Communism calls for no government.

2018-06-21 08:47:55 UTC  

Socialism doesnt have to be "ALL MEANS OF PRODUCTION ARE OWNED BY THE GOVERNMENT"

2018-06-21 08:47:57 UTC  

Communism calls for a 1984 government

2018-06-21 08:48:01 UTC  

No, it doesn't.

2018-06-21 08:48:06 UTC  

You're thinking of Marxism-Leninism.

2018-06-21 08:48:40 UTC  

"Communism can be summed up in one sentence. The elimination of private property" -Marx, The Communist Manifesto

2018-06-21 08:48:41 UTC  

Marxism-Leninism was the synthesis of Marx and Lenin's ideals on how to build a **socialist state**, which, ultimately, withers away into a communist society which is stateless and operates on the basis of proletariat confederates.

2018-06-21 08:49:36 UTC  

@L0GAN You're confusing government ownership with proletariat ownership. Bordiga criticized the USSR as state capitalist because the state owned everything but there was still a class-based society and people still used capital.

2018-06-21 08:49:43 UTC  

This is the origin of the "not real communism" argument.

2018-06-21 08:50:13 UTC  

And if you want to be strictly orthodox to Marx real communism has never existed. That doesn't mean it's a good thing, it just means it isn't achievable.

2018-06-21 08:50:32 UTC  

The USSR was a socialist state, nominally transitional.

2018-06-21 08:50:42 UTC  

The USSR was communist aswell...