Message from @Doctor Anon
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You equate liberalism... to socialism???
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leftism= liberalism
Liberalism is a stepping stone for socialism
leftism= socialism
Communists fucking hate liberals, and the only "socialists" that label themselves liberals are democratic socialists.
And Sorel directly criticized democratic socialists as betraying proletariat interests, namely Jaures.
Communists arent really socialists tbh
uhhhhh
but
theyre about just as socialist
as fascism is
"Communism, socialism, call it what you like, there's very little difference in the 2" -aint i right
if not less
Socialism is when the means of production are publicly owned. Communism is the ultimate manifestation of that, in a stateless society with no bourgeoisie and only proletariats.
Again, you really don't know what you're talking about. You're just saying words and hoping they stick.
And you have to insult again...
No, I am simply pointing out that you are not making any sense.
Stop being so quick to play the victim card. It'll get old quick.
Socialism calls for a big government
Communism calls for no government.
Socialism doesnt have to be "ALL MEANS OF PRODUCTION ARE OWNED BY THE GOVERNMENT"
Communism calls for a 1984 government
No, it doesn't.
You're thinking of Marxism-Leninism.
"Communism can be summed up in one sentence. The elimination of private property" -Marx, The Communist Manifesto
Marxism-Leninism was the synthesis of Marx and Lenin's ideals on how to build a **socialist state**, which, ultimately, withers away into a communist society which is stateless and operates on the basis of proletariat confederates.
@L0GAN You're confusing government ownership with proletariat ownership. Bordiga criticized the USSR as state capitalist because the state owned everything but there was still a class-based society and people still used capital.
This is the origin of the "not real communism" argument.
And if you want to be strictly orthodox to Marx real communism has never existed. That doesn't mean it's a good thing, it just means it isn't achievable.
The USSR was a socialist state, nominally transitional.
The USSR was communist aswell...
Communism is stateless though. As defined by Marx.
Marxism-Leninism literally defines the USSR as a SOCIALIST STATE, that withers away to be replaced by a STATELESS COMMUNIST SOCIETY.
It's not controversial.
They subscribed to the ideals of communism as that was what they were trying to achieve, and for the purpose of convenience Marxist-Leninist states are referred to as "communist" states.
It's a lot more complicated than it needs to be but it's not really hard to understand either.
You know I've never been a communist but I used to be one of the people that made fun of commie faggots for pulling the "not real communism card". Once I actually learned something, I understood the argument and why from a neutral standpoint it's valid even if people use it as a defense of communism. You guys seem to think socialism=liberalism=communism which is just blatantly incorrect.
You know your talking to yourself...