yes American idealism is part of the American identity. But white america is a voting block and ethnic group in and of itself now.

Yes, nobody is denying immigration was mostly restricted to white countries. But this wasn't out of racial idealism and the creation of a white ethnostate, it was just out of hating darkies.

Actually it was a racial idealism. That’s what “for ourselves and our posterity” means.

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You can deduce whatever you mean from sayings, but it would be neat-o if you could cite some mainstream contemporary literature corroborating your claims.

I think “Waking up from the american dream” by Greg Hood has a lot of material on this. There are also other pieces floating around dealing with American ethnic identity, especially by Lawrence Murray.

Oh. Mainstream. Well, you won’t find anything in the mainstream because the mainstream doesn’t print what it calls “white supremacists”.

Anyway, I think it’s pretty obvious that white america is a thing and an ethnic identity.

So the entire country was founded by white supremacists, on white supremacist ideals, yet nobody was writing about it for fear of offending the darkies at the time?

And if you want to cite something not mainstream, that's the equivalent of using Evola as a poster boy for fascist Italy.

If it's as widespread and apparent as you claim it is, rather than post hoc interpretations of history that fit your narrative, you shouldn't have trouble finding someone writing about it.

Sigh

So you can't?

be bothered

Didn't think so. Because it is a post hoc interpretation of history that fits your narrative. All you have is the fact that people were racist. Everybody was racist.

People were racist before a nation as we would define it today existed in the middle ages.

Against other whites no less.

Even if I’m historically wrong, my point that white america as an ethnic group identity is a thing *now* is self evident.

Let me be the one to tell you you are historically wrong, but you are correct on the latter point.

At least as a relatively fringe movement.

As a mainstream thing.

The difference is one is only allowed to condemn white america. Never to praise it.

It's getting there, but no. I live in rural America where that shit is most popular and you never see it.

If you condemn white america for being racist, you’re a hero. If you say you stand for white america, you’re nazi.

You never see it in the cities either. Ever. They only come out of the woodworks when there's liberals to fuck with.

So you mean to say it's not mainstream? That makes it fringe.

It’s mainstream to acknowledge white america being a thing

Just not in a positive way

So?

It's mainstream to acknowledge scientology is a thing.

So my point stands that you have an ethic group identity there

Just not in a positive way. Scientology is still fringe.

Regardless there is an ethnic identity, and where there is an ethnic identity, there can be a national identity, so that’s a collective white identity that has been created and exists today.

Can you name an example of an artificial ethnic identity that gained traction?

Spain has been trying it for literally centuries and hasn't succeeded.

Had to destroy ethnic identities rather than build one and hasn't even done that.

Because they have other ethnicities in spain

But.. they're all white???

The basques are a different ethnic group

Basques are white.

Even in Andalusia people look roughly the same.