Didn't think so. Because it is a post hoc interpretation of history that fits your narrative. All you have is the fact that people were racist. Everybody was racist.

People were racist before a nation as we would define it today existed in the middle ages.

Against other whites no less.

Even if I’m historically wrong, my point that white america as an ethnic group identity is a thing *now* is self evident.

Let me be the one to tell you you are historically wrong, but you are correct on the latter point.

At least as a relatively fringe movement.

As a mainstream thing.

The difference is one is only allowed to condemn white america. Never to praise it.

It's getting there, but no. I live in rural America where that shit is most popular and you never see it.

If you condemn white america for being racist, you’re a hero. If you say you stand for white america, you’re nazi.

You never see it in the cities either. Ever. They only come out of the woodworks when there's liberals to fuck with.

So you mean to say it's not mainstream? That makes it fringe.

It’s mainstream to acknowledge white america being a thing

Just not in a positive way

So?

It's mainstream to acknowledge scientology is a thing.

So my point stands that you have an ethic group identity there

Just not in a positive way. Scientology is still fringe.

Regardless there is an ethnic identity, and where there is an ethnic identity, there can be a national identity, so that’s a collective white identity that has been created and exists today.

Can you name an example of an artificial ethnic identity that gained traction?

Spain has been trying it for literally centuries and hasn't succeeded.

Had to destroy ethnic identities rather than build one and hasn't even done that.

Because they have other ethnicities in spain

But.. they're all white???

The basques are a different ethnic group

Basques are white.

Even in Andalusia people look roughly the same.

But they’re a *different ethnic group*

But they're white, and you're suggesting a collective identity in America despite America being composed of several "different ethnic groups".

Be consistent.

I am. White America is one ethnic group. Basques and Spanish are two different ethnic groups.

I don't see how you can see how you aren't making sense.

The Basques have lived within Spain for centuries, and have been pressured to be a part of the Spanish nation for centuries.

I don’t understand what’s so difficult to get. Whites in America have had a long time of intermixing. Basques have always remained separate from Spain

They have always had their own ethnic territory and remained separate

I see your point, although I don't feel it's a strong one. American identity is artificial, and weak.

There are even maps of Spain showing the genetic distinction of the basques

Yes but it’s there and one day it will be strong identity as it was in the past

But we have already established that you're wrong on that part about history.

Irrelevant to your point though.

Right now collective white identity is weak but it will get stronger as more and more white people realise that nonwhites don’t care about whether they are American or Norwegian, only that they are white.