I wanted 4 kids, I dont care if I lose a few years of lifespan

i just like having the source because it tends to be more nuanced than the person citing it

"Meanwhile birth control has been proven to affect the mind and the divorce rates have skyrocketed since it was introduced" I can agree more with the first part than the divorce rate part.

divorce rates I think will be affected by other major factors alongside birth control. But its easier to bail with no kids involved if thats the link.

ik it's just when it seems like bs and they don't have a source there's an inclination to dismiss the argument

even if it's a legit argument in actuality

I take into account sources

Are formal debates arranged here?

hah of course its not

its a conversation on a discord that can spring up on any topic at any time so you gotta give some slack

Nuclear family best family

Birth control big no no encourages degenerate behavior

but im just asking if such formal / serious debates can happen here, giving people time to prepare a case

Or if you want it legal, jack up the prices

@Omniconsumerproducts formal debates <#452955229227319306> or VC

Doctor, you talk nonsense. Lets say I work and have 4 kids, I cant afford 5, but now I gotta move to only anal because you have banned birth control

lol

If you can't afford another kid

Don't take the risk

Fucking degenerate

I mean there's always adoption

If you don't want a flat ban, then jack up the prices of birth control

Debate on libertarians and friends happening rn feel free to join

@crippling depression shut up shill

Pills as birth control I'd flat out ban

Dont take the risk? Im not letting you take away my sexual gratification without a better argument than its degenerate.

And Jack up prices of condoms

@Omniconsumerproducts I have to say the way you are approaching this debate is wrong. Because catholic dogma has never changed and it will always be the same, however you want to do things that are pleasurable even if it goes against catholic dogma and that means you are disobeying. Now I have no idea if you are catholic or not but doing things for pleasure can be very bad because that means you have no self control nor discipline.

@Omniconsumerproducts Fuck your sexual gratification, sex is meant for reproducing, go masturbate

I dont think so, if I have sex 4 times in my life, once for each kid and thats all Im getting? I dont think so mate.

Sex's primary purpose is to reproduce

@Doctor Anon da fish said you guys would not @ everyone for my group. But he did say I could advertise my debate today

Also, I love the discussion happening here

It's secondary purpose is pleasure

Yea of course it is, added benefit is its also fun.

@Omniconsumerproducts I'm fine with married couples having sex for pleasure and using birth control

Just not unmarried couples

I can control myself to responsibly enjoy both. I dont see why the irresponsible should cause me to lose out.

The amount of sex a woman has before marriage directly coorelates with marriage faluire

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@Omniconsumerproducts I understand where you are coming from, but when you say that it really looks bad on you. You want to use your significant other for pleasure and kids. The way you talk about sex is like you only like it for pleasure