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yeah it's the purgatory thing
again, purgatory is bs
Archaic as in what they actually did at the time they were giving indulgences?
Archaic as in that is not the accepted definition in modern language.
that's what i was taught in history
i still believe it despite google
because google agrees
How does Google agree?
you buy yourself a quick trip out of purgatory
Indulgences are charity given after your sins are absolved as they normally would be for less time in purgatory. The problem was corrupt clergymen just selling indulgences and pocketing the money for themselves. The latter is the myth we're told in high school.
The money is supposed to go to a Church-sponsored charity.
but it didn't
But corrupt clergymen created fake charities and pocketed the money.
In the vast majority of cases it did.
ik the specific indulgence saleman martin luther got pissed at was not giving the money to charity
idk the bigger picture
Yeah, I'm not saying it didn't happen.
It did happen.
But the actual practice of indulgences was a good thing when it worked, and most of the time it did.
The act of charity purifies the soul on Earth, as it would otherwise be in Purgatory.
initially it was definitely good
when it was just charity for the poor
but that's not what it was at the time of the reformation
According to Luther.
also, again, purgatory was made up by the church
yeah, cause an archbishop near luther was selling indulgences to pay back a loan
When?
seems kind of corrupt
When was purgatory invented?
idk when purgatory was invented
but there's no scriptural evidence
Limbo of the Fathers.
Peter 3:19
There's plenty of evidence for it.
Purgatory far preceded indulgences.
limbo's different than purgatory i think
That's correct, but the existence of limbo suggests a stage between Heaven and Hell.
Likewise for Peter 3:19.
The concept of absolution after death before Heaven is in scripture.
Just because purgatory itself is not explicitly mentioned doesn't mean it doesn't exist.