protestantism is the religious manifestation of the renaissance

How though?

the values of the renaissance are reflected in protestantism

Which values?

it's more humanist than catholicism

more egalitarian

So we're just going to ignore gnostics, Arians, Hussites, and Albigensians.

The Protestant Revolution was not unprecedented.

That is completely ahistorical.

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Humanism is materialistic and barbarian.

Maybe that's why Germans liked it so much.

Are you against seeing value in your fellow man?

there's also the jesuits, which i believe were part of the counter-reformation

they have been hugely important to science and philosophy

The counter-reformation was almost as bad as the reformation.

The Church debased itself in my opinion.

but it was corrupt

debasement non-unique

Which Church?

That's why they liked Copernicus but didn't like Galileo, just a few decades later.

roman catholic

The Roman Church was an institution of learning but doubled down in their theology to combat Protestant heresy.

Hmm, you seem to have misspelled "Paganism Lite".

copernicus didn't public on the revolutions of heavenly spheres until he was on his deathbed because he was afraid of the church

No, he literally dedicated it to the Pope.

It was published by the Church if I recall correctly.

He was not a layman.

He worked for the Church.

Literally everyone worked for the church.

At least that's what the Church would have had.

Except not literally everyone. <:E_:459545659574321152>

If you were a scholar you worked for the Church.

If you were a farmer and paid taxes to a king you also worked for the church as the king usually had his power through God via the Church.

Heliocentrism wasn't rejected by the Church as a whole, it was rejected for scientific reasons and not even by a majority of other clergymen. It wasn't theological.

That's a pretty bad misunderstanding of the three estates system.

If you're a farmer you provide for the second and third estate. There's no mixing.

You don't indirectly work for the Church because you provide food for them.

Unless you can make the case that Copernicus was a farmer and that it's somehow equivalent then that doesn't mean anything.

But he worked for the Church directly.

The backlash against Copernicus was from Protestants mostly, not Catholics. Bet they don't tell you that. 😦