Message from @Rattus

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2018-11-01 13:41:44 UTC  

also

2018-11-01 13:42:00 UTC  

how are people not alarmed at the fact a gorilla can communicate using sign language?

2018-11-01 13:42:23 UTC  

Why is that alarming?

2018-11-01 13:43:24 UTC  

presents a moral question, at least to me at least

2018-11-01 13:43:49 UTC  

if something can communicate with humans, that clearly shows that it thinks and has an inner monologue

2018-11-01 13:43:58 UTC  

if so, why doesn't it have the same rights humans do?

2018-11-01 13:44:18 UTC  

someone could kill that gorilla with little repercussion

2018-11-01 13:44:19 UTC  

Because we don't know if it does have an inner monologue

2018-11-01 13:44:37 UTC  

How can you know for sure that the gorilla is saying anything at all?

2018-11-01 13:44:44 UTC  

Let alone thinking

2018-11-01 13:44:51 UTC  

cause it speaks using sign language

2018-11-01 13:45:00 UTC  

and can also make omelettes

2018-11-01 13:45:01 UTC  

I know

2018-11-01 13:45:02 UTC  

It is highly possible that it is just making funny shapes with it's hands for a reward

2018-11-01 13:45:03 UTC  

scary right

2018-11-01 13:45:21 UTC  

You talking about koko?

2018-11-01 13:46:17 UTC  

probs ye

2018-11-01 13:46:53 UTC  

The issue really boils down to whether or not the gorilla really understands what it is doing

2018-11-01 13:47:04 UTC  

Is this really a self aware gorilla?

2018-11-01 13:47:17 UTC  

Or is it no different than a well trained dog?

2018-11-01 13:47:22 UTC  

there is a possibility it does though

2018-11-01 13:47:28 UTC  

yes

2018-11-01 13:47:28 UTC  

if so, should it have human rights?

2018-11-01 13:47:35 UTC  

It's not a human though

2018-11-01 13:47:44 UTC  

but it thinks on the same level as a human

2018-11-01 13:48:04 UTC  

If gorillas begin to become self aware we have a lot more issues to talk about

2018-11-01 14:12:56 UTC  

they may be self aware etc. but thye exist as a seperate species from us. They would treat us very differently and do treat us very differently and as an invasive species. Gorillas can kill a human rip them to shreds with absolutely no repercussion and no remorse

2018-11-01 14:13:07 UTC  

much like the rest of nature which is to some degree even self aware etc.

2018-11-01 14:13:25 UTC  

they can all think but the way and plane of thinking is so different and it has absolutely no room for us

2018-11-01 14:41:38 UTC  

Who would win a silverback gorilla or a brown bear? Serious question

2018-11-01 14:44:34 UTC  
2018-11-01 14:47:35 UTC  

Ah fuck

2018-11-01 14:47:53 UTC  

In most cases the bear would

2018-11-01 15:00:03 UTC  

depends on the environment

2018-11-01 15:00:40 UTC  

whilst both of them can climb, in most situations the silverback could probably climb and make the bear come to it

2018-11-01 15:00:48 UTC  

bruh a fucking monkey

2018-11-01 15:00:48 UTC  

then knock it down

2018-11-01 15:00:51 UTC  

do you know how heavier

2018-11-01 15:00:53 UTC  

than a bear is

2018-11-01 15:00:55 UTC  

a monkey

2018-11-01 15:01:11 UTC  

takes more than the weight of a gorilla to take down a tree