@el pebble you are right that capitalism requires the deliberate support of the state through contract enforcement and other enabling laws

but it is no more artificial than any other government support economic system

it's just a decentralized approach

It's the epitome of artificial

The ability for one to claim the piece of a world for profit and exploit values of labor through the primacy of wage labor has never been natural

@ＩＶ ＬＩ Ｖ Ｓ Its more an argument towards sidisnothere, I am not for absolute control or centralised economics however I am also absulutely against libertarian economics as it is antithetical to nationalis in every way.

there is a middle ground to walk and that middle ground ironically favors a more stable and I guess more libertarian reality than libertarians can produce with libertarianism.

yeah I'm pretty much there myself

id rather not live in a company (this is already present in the middle east where workers simply get paid almost nothing since many companies have risen in a vaccume of lack of intervention, creating company cities. And its dystopian)

exactly!

a government at least has a duty to benefit its people

The government should be the people

even if it only honors that duty a little bit, it's favorable to living under a corporate state

The government should indeed be the people.

are you sure you aren't idealizing the virtues of the masses

The ancient Greek system was epic👌

Athenian democracy

^

There should be no government

sooner or later government is gonna suppress human nature

Yeah, and we should appoint some people to make sure that nobody goes forming government anywhere

they'll need a budget too, so we'll need to appoint someone else to collect contributions from all the people

it'll be awesome

chaos is a ladder

there should be no laws

All religious people should be executed in the most painful way possible in public

By flaying and fire

Every police officer should be killed and hanged from the top of the empire to show people what happens when they resort to the old ways of "order", "justice", and "morality"

A new world order is needed

All world governments should be destroyed

Only then can we truly be free

@el pebble

Complete illiteracy

Capitalism is the free market, operating without state intervention

Thats why there has never been a true capitalist economy

The free market does not exist

correct

@ＩＶ ＬＩ Ｖ Ｓ No it does not

capitalism does not require the state

It does

No it does not