Message from @Farao Ramses II

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2019-08-04 20:37:13 UTC  

It affects polices and casual relationship with the information the supports policy

2019-08-04 20:37:53 UTC  

if you believe all human are equal in intelligence than it makes sense that if you see any particular group fall behind, it must be due external factors

2019-08-04 20:38:13 UTC  

I hold no such believe.

2019-08-04 20:38:20 UTC  

in comparison, if you understand the opposite to be true, than you wont hold that position

2019-08-04 20:38:27 UTC  

But again: one way or another I fail to see how that matters politically.

2019-08-04 20:38:28 UTC  

more so a hypothetical

2019-08-04 20:39:05 UTC  

does political policies matter?

2019-08-04 20:39:17 UTC  

like affirmative action or positive action?

2019-08-04 20:39:53 UTC  

I mean, policy itself is inherently consequential.

2019-08-04 20:39:55 UTC  

or wealth redistribution policies

2019-08-04 20:40:06 UTC  

What?

2019-08-04 20:40:10 UTC  

But this isn't even about policy, this is merely a scientific point.

2019-08-04 20:40:23 UTC  

policy is very consequential, it affects our quality of life

2019-08-04 20:40:29 UTC  

policy is based on information

2019-08-04 20:40:42 UTC  

Policy is mostly based on desire.

2019-08-04 20:40:48 UTC  

that information can be analyzed in a scientific matter

2019-08-04 20:41:03 UTC  

and proven wrong or right

2019-08-04 20:41:46 UTC  

Science can merely inform you in regard to how reality functions.

2019-08-04 20:42:25 UTC  

You can consider scientific facts in regard to setting policy, but the policy is merely set to reach a desired outcome, regardless of the scientific fact per se.

2019-08-04 20:42:39 UTC  

and how you think reality operates affects your desires

2019-08-04 20:43:04 UTC  

I do not contest that. Not entirely at least.

2019-08-04 20:43:08 UTC  

like the desire to stop climate change is based on research that shows climate change is problematic

2019-08-04 20:43:20 UTC  

Err...

2019-08-04 20:43:23 UTC  

You are making a slip there.

2019-08-04 20:43:27 UTC  

or that climate change is real

2019-08-04 20:43:29 UTC  

no im not

2019-08-04 20:43:38 UTC  

Climate change is real, yeah.

2019-08-04 20:43:45 UTC  

But it being problematic is a moral judgement.

2019-08-04 20:43:50 UTC  

And inherently human.

2019-08-04 20:44:06 UTC  

and its problematic to agriculture, energy production and so on

2019-08-04 20:44:08 UTC  

And really a judgment tying in with desire.

2019-08-04 20:44:40 UTC  

I understand hume's guillotine

2019-08-04 20:44:53 UTC  

It has a certain effect on the things you list which we humans consider problematic.

2019-08-04 20:44:59 UTC  

it simply states is do not justify oughts

2019-08-04 20:45:05 UTC  

not that it doesnt affect oughts

2019-08-04 20:45:09 UTC  

It being problematic is not in itself a scientific point.

2019-08-04 20:45:09 UTC  

because its does

2019-08-04 20:45:54 UTC  

scientist take for granted the sector theyre referring to dilapidating is problematic

2019-08-04 20:46:16 UTC  

anthropologist work with the axioms of what defines society or civilization

2019-08-04 20:46:46 UTC  

You do realize the idea of a problem existing is within the realm of human emotion, not within the realm of the natural world per se?

2019-08-04 20:46:51 UTC  

scientist most certainly use the term problematic in reference to normative standards that they make obvious