Message from @Fidel Castro

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2019-10-17 08:10:22 UTC  

sure

2019-10-17 08:10:28 UTC  

depending on how its done

2019-10-17 08:10:40 UTC  

there is an argument to be made that the USSR was overcentralised and in future we should have more regional autonomy

2019-10-17 08:11:01 UTC  

totally centralized system under a party like the soviets is setting yourself up for failure though

2019-10-17 08:11:25 UTC  

well the economy of the USSR was incredibly successful

2019-10-17 08:11:38 UTC  

industrialised rapidly

2019-10-17 08:12:04 UTC  

and great improvements in conditions

2019-10-17 08:12:31 UTC  

no, quite the opposite, it only grew during 1930s-40s due to great transfer of machine tools and enforced labor for mass infrastructure projects like the canal

2019-10-17 08:15:26 UTC  

meant to post just this image but i'll leave the article anyway

2019-10-17 08:15:28 UTC  

got that from commie_boi right?

2019-10-17 08:15:34 UTC  

what

2019-10-17 08:15:47 UTC  

no

2019-10-17 08:16:01 UTC  

hes someone who makes this argument often even though he know its to be missing in details

2019-10-17 08:16:14 UTC  

i dont know who that is

2019-10-17 08:16:46 UTC  

and this is just the 40s

2019-10-17 08:17:00 UTC  

https://nintil.com/old_assets/2016/03/26-4.png
as you can see here the USSR growth was better than USA

2019-10-17 08:17:05 UTC  

even more so during the 30s concerning the US companies selling out product

2019-10-17 08:17:34 UTC  

Maddison project also gives greece the same gdp as great britain

2019-10-17 08:18:03 UTC  

i wouldnt trust it unless they come out with a proper published article is a good journal

2019-10-17 08:19:08 UTC  

what about the highway

2019-10-17 08:19:43 UTC  

this is what i was referencing to forced labor and machine tools import

2019-10-17 08:20:18 UTC  

basically they just traded their human capital and land resources for imports of machine production

2019-10-17 08:20:31 UTC  

i don't see how

2019-10-17 08:20:40 UTC  

and created the infrastructure that supported their entire system through means we would deem unreasonable

2019-10-17 08:20:46 UTC  

how not?

2019-10-17 08:20:51 UTC  

read the links i posted

2019-10-17 08:20:51 UTC  

they built up the industrial sector through planning

2019-10-17 08:21:00 UTC  

they planned for imports

2019-10-17 08:21:20 UTC  

did you actually think they launched an industrial revolution that was purely native?

2019-10-17 08:21:30 UTC  

i mean sure some gulag labor was used but the vast majority would have been regular labor

2019-10-17 08:21:31 UTC  

their machine production was shipped from foreign countries

2019-10-17 08:21:47 UTC  

especially the US

2019-10-17 08:22:32 UTC  

the industrialization that they saw was nothing more than a product of them importing machine production, relocating labor and building mass infrastructure through immoral labor sources

2019-10-17 08:23:09 UTC  

the fall that they start seeing is when the source of those imports drop due to onset of the cold war