Message from @Scipio
Discord ID: 451063242685415425
but wasn't caused by Stalin.
When was the last time communism workedMl?
Though Stalin did fuck over their food supply.
Ah yes, Stalin was the one who hoarded grain, definitely not the wealthy farmers who worked with the grain. Gtfo lmao
When has communism ever worked
Good question.
The better question is: When has Socialism worked? And it's worked wonders in numerous countries around the globe, where living standards and overall quality of life were raised considerably thanks to the efforts of communists after seizing power.
Socialism - Communism
Are you claiming they are the same thing?
No, hence why I posed the better question.
Socialism has definently
not worked well.
In places such as Europe, so that's off the list.
Why arent you the socialist role then
My home nation, the UK,
is currently DYING,
our economy is DYING,
our national health service,
WHICH IS A SOCIALIST CREATION,
is LITERALLY dying,
And then taking benefits,
ASWELL as overpopulation.
Really? Where in Europe has the capitalist mode of production been superseded by the socialist one thanks to the efforts of Marxian revolutionaries?
Which countries which are "socialist" are you talking about?
What you're talking about isn't socialism, it's a liberal democratic state implementing Keynesian welfarism.
LOL
@Deleted User LOOOL
**It's never the right blend, with Communists. If it's SO WHAT wrong, they will COMPLETELY deny it.**
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAGAHA
**"Oh well that's not TRUEEEEE communism"**
That's not socialism, that's capitalism with a large social safety net.
**"TRUE communism has NEVER been tried before"**
Communism will never succeed nor will it see any tremendous success. Why? Because It relies on the state, enforcing a fixed economy and destroying any dynamic aspects it had, and hypocrisy. It relies on the state to control and manage the economy, while, at the same time, they wish to eventually abolish the state to achieve anarcho-communism, which is the general goal of most communists. As long as the state controls the economy, the state will always be relavent, and high stage communism will never be achieved. Ever. Furthermore, it relies on the planned economy. The planned economy eliminates the necessity of a dynamic economy, for that of a fixed economy. Fixed economies are easily broken, dynamic economies always fluctuate, but are almost impossible to bring down unless an outside power causes it, or if gradually forces itself to stagnate, both of which, rarely happen. Lastly, many communists are hypocrites. They blame the upper class for all of their suffering, and constantly preach about their economic liberty, yet are willing to sacrifice their individuality in return for it. If you are willing to sacrifice your freedom for security, then you deserve neither, as Abraham Lincoln would say. Same goes for your individual freedom for economic freedom.
the fucking holodomor was in ukraine
Aye.
so why would the population of russia change
when ukraine was independent in 1922
😛
**Gulags**
**Yeet**