this is why im careful about using 'capital' rather than 'money'

movie stars are labor aristocrats they make enough to not need to necessarily work

but they still do not own the 'capital' behind them

the power stems from the use of money to obtain capital

Capitalism is Darwinist, for all businesses, they either thrive or they fail. 99% of all businesses fail within the first 5 years of starting up. Where is the Studebaker company today, @Meta ?

@LoJ i disagree you are forgetting that the government can subsidise the capitalist how is that darwinist

the government can **choose winners or losers**

Government involvement is not capitalism, that is mixed market economy

no it is capitlaist

the state is not seperate from the capitalist mode of production

it exists WITHIN the capitalist mode of production

if you say that then capitalism is only capitalist when it's anarcho capitalist

and robert nozick's rebutall is best here, capitalists would see the efficiency of the state in obtaining their goals are just create one from ancapitalist system there is no mechanism to preserve ancapitalism

@🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼 Are you familiar with the term "laissez-faire"?

yes and i say that lassiez-faire are people who cannot understand the purpose of the state in the capitalist system

the state is a tool of the bourgeoisie

no

the state is a tool of the RULING CLASS

What? Laissez-faire means "hands off", that's a predicate or state of being, not a noun.

and they fail

you mean the kikes?

to see

the state purpose

in the capitalist system

they think the state

is a seperate entity

to the capitalist mode of production

no no no the capitalist mode of production incorporates the state as a tool

Who is "THEY"?

people who support 'lassiez-faire' capitalism

Here is the definition of capitalism, "an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state." Where does this involve using the state to control the economy?

because the private owners for profit know they can use the state to MAXIMIZE their profits

that's why lobbyists exist

that's why there's so much political corruption

it doesn't say in your definition

that the state cannot exist

within a capitalist system

only that the means of production

are controlled by the capitalists

a 'mixed economy' still has a majority of the industry and trade controlled by capitalists therefore is a capitalist system

is a spoon a spoon or is a spoon a table?