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right.

Ya yeet

manipulating machinery for personal gain isn't even 1% of the problem: the main (human) aspect of the problem is that it takes away a person's autonomy and limits their freedom. it forces them into being immersed in surrogate activities and living unfulfilling and depressing lives - which is all built on a system which is ultimately unsustainable anyway

this old dude named Karl Marx once talked about that issue.

no one ever came up with an answer for it. 🤔

epic reply

thx bb 😉

Being primitivist is ableist and ageist

Oh wait, it's real

https://www.reddit.com/r/COMPLETEANARCHY/comments/8ftcxz/anarchoprimitivism_is_ableist_transphobic_and/

primitivism is such a dumb concept.

also, i haven't read whatever you're referring to by Marx but he had no way of having the necessary perspective on it to be at all useful

he didn't live in an age where the technoindustrial system had true hegemony over every aspect of a persons life

hey guys, I'd like to revert to the times of 70%+ infant mortality rates, average lifespans of 30 and constant worry of starvation.

long lifespan = good life :)

starvation = good life

You know it wouldn't be such a bad thing if all the red liberals disappeared mysteriously

it's incredibly easy to make a communist joke right now but i'm above that

because i actually want to talk about this without you making assumptions about something you evidently know little about

karl marx saw the rise of the industrial revolution and the beginning of factory labor, his philosophy is specifically in opposition to this concept.

i'll read this right now - can you direct me to where it's said?

he specifically says the proletariat is a slave to the machine

i'll tell you if it's at all relevant

so, that's it? he makes a vague comment about being enslaved to a machine?

alright

got me there

I only had shown a single DIRECT reference to machinery.

im not sure what you expected that to prove

"can you direct me to where its said"
as in, can you tell me what text/page so i can read around it lol

well, that's this alienation stuff, the machine becomes a tool of workers' oppression even though it's not supposed to be

therefore Marx's Manifesto is in no way a criticism of modern industrial labor.

"can you let me know what text Marx talks about this in"
"sure heres a sentence where Marx mentions a machine"

epic

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm

chapter 1

but you could just read it

since the manifesto is a direct critique of factory labor

so it's literally the entire fucking thing.