anti progressivism is just people saying they're too lazy to plan out effective strategies on how to handle new problems that may occur in the future. and even though they will never be able to stop any sort of industrial progression, we'd much rather not be prepared because we spent the whole time arguing.

Kill all those who attempt industrial progression?

or it's just aggressively enforcing deep ecology

the current problems arent even being dealt with lol

unless you destroy all scientific knowledge and put us back into a dark age, somebody will still do research.

how is it reasonable to expect people in the future to do it on a much larger scale

that's primitivism

im not about that

im about the deconstruction of the technoindustrial system and nothing else really

I'm more on Gribos side...

well, attacking organizations that manipulate machinery for personal gain is a little different than specifically focusing on attacking the technology itself.

This is an interesting discussion

you can be anti-technoindustry without being anti-technology, try being anti-industry?

Isn't being anti-technology in the name of anti-TECHNOindustry?

that's like blaming the gun for a shooting, not the person who shot.

Something leftists do.

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right.

Ya yeet

manipulating machinery for personal gain isn't even 1% of the problem: the main (human) aspect of the problem is that it takes away a person's autonomy and limits their freedom. it forces them into being immersed in surrogate activities and living unfulfilling and depressing lives - which is all built on a system which is ultimately unsustainable anyway

this old dude named Karl Marx once talked about that issue.

no one ever came up with an answer for it. 🤔

epic reply

thx bb 😉

Being primitivist is ableist and ageist

Oh wait, it's real

https://www.reddit.com/r/COMPLETEANARCHY/comments/8ftcxz/anarchoprimitivism_is_ableist_transphobic_and/

primitivism is such a dumb concept.

also, i haven't read whatever you're referring to by Marx but he had no way of having the necessary perspective on it to be at all useful

he didn't live in an age where the technoindustrial system had true hegemony over every aspect of a persons life

hey guys, I'd like to revert to the times of 70%+ infant mortality rates, average lifespans of 30 and constant worry of starvation.

long lifespan = good life :)

starvation = good life

You know it wouldn't be such a bad thing if all the red liberals disappeared mysteriously

it's incredibly easy to make a communist joke right now but i'm above that

because i actually want to talk about this without you making assumptions about something you evidently know little about

karl marx saw the rise of the industrial revolution and the beginning of factory labor, his philosophy is specifically in opposition to this concept.

i'll read this right now - can you direct me to where it's said?

he specifically says the proletariat is a slave to the machine

i'll tell you if it's at all relevant