Message from @🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼

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2018-06-01 13:26:13 UTC  

communism always failed to get out of the transition stage from totalitarian socialism, but it wont next time I promise

2018-06-01 13:26:17 UTC  

The USSR + Mongolia + Eastern Europe, one

2018-06-01 13:26:23 UTC  

>China

marx said that there will still be class struggle in the socialist mode of production and counter-revolutionary elements who will try to fight against the transition of the system
Imagine like how feudalistic societies did not all suddenly change into capitalist democratic societies but eventually there were ones that succeded

2018-06-01 13:26:27 UTC  

China, two

2018-06-01 13:26:30 UTC  

Cuba, three

2018-06-01 13:26:31 UTC  

Cuba

2018-06-01 13:26:34 UTC  

Venezuela

2018-06-01 13:26:35 UTC  

Vietnam, 4

2018-06-01 13:26:38 UTC  

Vietnam

2018-06-01 13:26:50 UTC  

Venezuela isn't socialist and has never been

2018-06-01 13:26:54 UTC  

oh it only failed half a dozen times and only half a dozen hundred million died

2018-06-01 13:26:57 UTC  

who cares

People fought against the transition of feudalism -> capitalism
🤔

2018-06-01 13:27:02 UTC  

^

until it happened

2018-06-01 13:27:07 UTC  

"Marx said"

2018-06-01 13:27:09 UTC  

stopped reading there

2018-06-01 13:27:14 UTC  

The thing is capitalism worked

2018-06-01 13:27:14 UTC  

Based

Marx said this because he was observing history

2018-06-01 13:27:25 UTC  

Socialism worked even better

capitalism *works now* but it failed half a dozen times before it arose from feudalistic society

2018-06-01 13:27:37 UTC  

capitalism doesn't work

2018-06-01 13:27:40 UTC  

that's the point

you're reading everything from a perspective of hindsight

without imagining being in a feudalistic society

2018-06-01 13:28:13 UTC  

Why would I need to imagine being in a feudalistic society?

2018-06-01 13:28:15 UTC  

Rapid industrialisation in the USSR, the most bitter economic crisis in the West

tell me did the serfs of the 1600s imagine that in a hundred years a new socioeconomic system such as capitalism would exist?

2018-06-01 13:28:40 UTC  

They didn’t know because they ideas wasn’t about yet

2018-06-01 13:28:42 UTC  

but serfdom is capitalism

2018-06-01 13:28:46 UTC  

according to @Advocatus Diaboli

in fact there were failures to establish this 'capitalist system' in the 1600s i.e the failure of the first english capitalist system

2018-06-01 13:28:56 UTC  

nobody in communism can agree on definitions

the glorious revolution

did not progress

the UK

into capitalism

2018-06-01 13:29:02 UTC  

imagine that communism worked 😂

so it was a failure of capitalism to arise from feudalistic society