Message from @QuinnTheQuartz

Discord ID: 452610753896251414


2018-06-02 23:12:03 UTC  

*Actually, yes.*

2018-06-02 23:12:03 UTC  

you WILL be rewarded for providing the most pleasure for society

if it did than explain

2018-06-02 23:12:06 UTC  

Just anyone who could afford automation would become wealthy

Now, if the American CEOs are worth anything between twice (compared to the Swiss CEOs, excluding stock options) and twenty times (compared to the Japanese CEOs, including stock options), their counterparts abroad, how come the companies they run have been losing out to their Japanese and European rivals in many industries? You may suggest that the Japanese and European CEOs can work at much lower absolute pay than the American CEOs because their countries’ general wage levels are lower. However, wages in Japan and the European countries are basicaly at the same level as those in the US. The average worker pay in the thirteen countries studied by the EPI was 85 per cent of the US worker pay in 2005. The Japanese workers get paid 91per cent the American wages, but their CEOs get paid only 25 per cent of what the American CEOs get (excluding stock options). The Swiss workers and the German workers get higher wages than the US workers (130 per cent and 106 per cent of the US wage, respectively), while their CEOs get paid only 55 per cent and 64 per cent of the US salaries (once again, excluding share options, which are much higher in the US).5 Thus seen, US managers are over-priced. The American workers get paid only 15 per cent or so more than their counterparts in competitor nations, while the American CEOs are paid at least twice (compared to the Swiss managers, excluding stock options) and possibly up to twenty times (compared to the Japanese managers, including stock options) that of what their counterparts in comparable countries are paid. Despite this, the American CEOs are running companies that are no better, and frequently worse, than their Japanese or European competitors.

2018-06-02 23:12:09 UTC  

The harder the work you put in, the more money you make.

2018-06-02 23:12:14 UTC  

Automation is not something that should be taken lightly. Too many people are sitting back and just waiting for automation to happen thinking it will benefit them. This will be the fall of society

2018-06-02 23:12:15 UTC  

What?

2018-06-02 23:12:20 UTC  

This is the basics of work.

2018-06-02 23:12:23 UTC  

I'm not talking about conglomerates aided by the states, like Oil barons

2018-06-02 23:12:24 UTC  

Capitalism in some ways favors meritocrats, but inherentence starts becoming a problem after generations pass.

2018-06-02 23:12:38 UTC  

If you put in the effort to educate yourself and work an honest job, you profit.

2018-06-02 23:12:39 UTC  

Literally debunked this 15 minutes ago and they're repeating their arguments again

2018-06-02 23:12:55 UTC  

Debunk your conspiracy of post-scracity

2018-06-02 23:13:01 UTC  

Resources are scarce by default.

2018-06-02 23:13:03 UTC  

capitalism alone doesn't guarantee you perpetual wealth, you have to serve society in order to stay rich because you can't force someone to buy your product

2018-06-02 23:13:17 UTC  

post-scarcity is a sci fi fantasy right now lmao

2018-06-02 23:13:21 UTC  

No shit, heard of work?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/450683222653796353/452610708081737738/unknown.png

2018-06-02 23:13:23 UTC  

it depends on what he means by scarcity

Yes UK and US ceos are twice as productive as Japanese and German ceos but nothing shows up in their addee value to the company vs japanese and Germans to prove it

2018-06-02 23:13:32 UTC  

There is a shortage and a scarcity

2018-06-02 23:13:36 UTC  

Shortages are man-made

2018-06-02 23:13:41 UTC  

@QuinnTheQuartz I see we have another soothsayer in the building. Tell me, Nostradamus, how did you arrive at such a conclusion? I suppose next you'll tell us that the sun won't eventually consume all of its hydrogen fuel and die, capitalism has no expiration date, and your undersized genitalia will continue to grow post-puberty.

2018-06-02 23:13:43 UTC  

Scarcity is the resource itself.

2018-06-02 23:13:59 UTC  

This guy is talking shit about natural elites, like its something wrong to excel in something and be rewarded because of it

2018-06-02 23:14:05 UTC  

Capitalism as it's known today cannot possibly function without the exploitation of the global south. When capitalists say they support capitalism worldwide they are dissalusioned or lying

2018-06-02 23:14:25 UTC  

If UK and US CEOs are truly twice as productive, in what way are they not adding any value to the company?

2018-06-02 23:15:08 UTC  

True capitalism is based on merit

2018-06-02 23:15:08 UTC  

Their value to the company is added through the stated 2x production.

2018-06-02 23:15:19 UTC  

Can you define capitalism?

2018-06-02 23:15:22 UTC  

xD Technically it's clear the sun will loose it's hydrogen as it consumers.

2018-06-02 23:15:24 UTC  

Me?

2018-06-02 23:15:32 UTC  

Tell me, what do you think capitalism is

2018-06-02 23:15:32 UTC  

Consumers, Workers, and Producers all exist for a reason.

2018-06-02 23:15:36 UTC  

without marxist jargons

2018-06-02 23:15:42 UTC  

who are you talking to fen

2018-06-02 23:15:43 UTC  

Merit lol

2018-06-02 23:15:51 UTC  

More like inheritance

2018-06-02 23:16:02 UTC  

@QuinnTheQuartz There are no absolutes in life aside from the absolute which I just posited. The world revolves around contradiction and uncertainty.

2018-06-02 23:16:04 UTC  

@fen A system built on Capital.

2018-06-02 23:16:07 UTC  

7/10 of rich families lose inheritance in the second generation