debates are supposed to change the audience's mind

It's futile

because all of those no us totally changed my mind

@Suboofer That's public debate

I only take the skeptical position that gay therapy literally doesn't work because the evidence is either that they are psychologically damaging or that they're ineffective. So I wanted evidence that it does work or it comes off as plain pseudoscience without it.
in fact it's so dumb the american psychiatric association wrote this statement
```The validity, efficacy and ethics of clinical attempts to
change an individual's sexual orientation have been
challenged (3,4,5,6). To date, there are no scientifically
rigorous outcome studies to determine either the actual
efficacy or harm of "reparative" treatments. There is
sparse scientific data about selection criteria, risks versus
benefits of the treatment, and long-term outcomes of
"reparative" therapies. The literature consists of anecdotal
reports of individuals who have claimed to change, people
who claim that attempts to change were harmful to them,
and others who claimed to have changed and then later
recanted those claims (7,8,9).
Even though there are little data about patients, it is still
possible to evaluate the theories which rationalize the
conduct of "reparative" and conversion therapies. Firstly,
they are at odds with the scientific position of the American
Psychiatric Association which has maintained, since 1973,
that homosexuality per se, is not a mental disorder. The
theories of "reparative" therapists define homosexuality as
either a developmental arrest, a severe form of psychopathology,
or some combination of both (10-15). In recent
years, noted practitioners of "reparative" therapy have
openly integrated older psychoanalytic theories that pathologize
homosexuality with traditional religious beliefs
condemning homosexuality (16,17,18). ```

Not actual debat

@Deleted User like now lol

I'm gonna trust the American Psychiatric Association on this one.

Alright

Now it's your move E

He came with statistics

Does it say anything about electro shock therapy though?

Now go get yours

He didnt come with statistics.

I think that karde just won.

Give E a chance

It's only fair

ik

Current methods are ineffective because not enough research has been done

True

Science can always give us a new way

I would suggest that we put more research into the subject

Karde won how?

He hasn't won

how about we just regulate the media so shit like this doesnt get propagated in our culture
https://www.teenvogue.com/gallery/lactatia-9-year-old-drag-queen-slideshow

Or hang the fags 🤷🏼‍♀️

Lmao

Idc

"regulating media"
🤔 only if it's the USSR incharge and the paper is named pravda

Electro shock therapy is best to focus on

@🌼Kalina🌹🌸🌹Zay🌹🌸🌹Scott🌼 USSR was nothing compared to the Glorious Nazi Germany

I am in ex-soviet nation, trust me

Straight outta Stalins homeland

but you're forgetting in that statement the APA states that there isn't evidence that shows 'homosexuality' to be a mental illness in the first place and previous literature has been challenged. Rendering any point about 'electroshock therapy' moot

nazis were pretty advanced in healthcare
they were the first to understand the carcinogenic effects of cigarettes, alcohol, and drugs

also @Deleted User Nazis lost to USSR

enough said

And the US

And the UK

the USSR lost to the US