lol

like, when the production of utility-increasing items increases and the average standard of living increases

Tbh sanctions kinda strengthen economies over time

it's part of "basic economics" that you people go on and on about

**>Very poor to poor, the standard of living just increased in North Korea, lads.**

The USSR was completely self sufficient yet still died

Plenty of oil, metals, forests, and farm land

And they shit the bed

He's right you know

because they opened themselves up to the free market

They weren’t forced to

Also, the official line of the Communist Party of China is that they are currently in the "primary stage" of socialism, in which they are building up the productive forces and working towards material abundance. According to official estimates, they will be completely socialist by 2049. Such a model is quite similar to the Classical Marxist conception of socialist transformation.

"It was Gorbachev's fault" yet the reason Gorbachev came into power was due to the Soviet's old leadership dying, and thus having to resort to people such as Gorbachev in the party.

China isn’t communist lmao

They’re market-socialists

China is DEFINENTLY not Communist.

Soviets in Afghanistan was a global disaster

Fucking hell.

They have privately owned business.

._.

Privately owned business and welfare

Aye

Sounds like most of the western world

@NoProfit because everyone was equally payed and you know that shit doesn't work. the ones with jobs that doesn't deserve to be payed even 8$ were payed about as same as a banker, and of course the with shit jobs didn't have to put any effort into working, and the bankers were so pissed off that their efficency to work went to shit, and thus the system collapsed, boom

Soviet's in Afghanistan is hilarious as fuck,

they lost to a bunch of ill equipped desert tribes.

"USA lost to the Vietnamese" - "USSR lost to the Afghanis"

the us fell to a bunch of poorly equipped rice farmers

Americans and Soviets got their asses kicked by some farmers

yeah

both of them

Both funded by world superpowers

Mate, Afghanistan was fucking BADLY equipped, where as Vietnam were given supplies from the USSR and China.

In Cuba every profession is payed the same. There’s taxi drivers who make more money than doctors due to the tips they receive.

Like pawns in a game of chess that lasts forever

Yes, I understand that. I am simply stating their official line. Also, the commanding heights of the Chinese economy are publicly controlled. They also don't claim to have completed the socialist transformation, only that they are working towards it and should complete it by 2049

same old excuse

it'll be socialist state soon

hurr durr

I believe Korea and Vietnam could've been successful if pushed longer

at what cost, though?