Message from @Bill Murphy the famous actor
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```[ Bourgeois Socialists: ]
The second category consists of adherents of present-day society who have been frightened for its future by the evils to which it necessarily gives rise. What they want, therefore, is to maintain this society while getting rid of the evils which are an inherent part of it.
To this end, some propose mere welfare measures – while others come forward with grandiose systems of reform which, under the pretense of re-organizing society, are in fact intended to preserve the foundations, and hence the life, of existing society.
Communists must unremittingly struggle against these bourgeois socialists because they work for the enemies of communists and protect the society which communists aim to overthrow.```
```[ Democratic Socialists: ]
Finally, the third category consists of democratic socialists who favor some of the same measures the communists advocate, as described in Question 18, not as part of the transition to communism, however, but as measures which they believe will be sufficient to abolish the misery and evils of present-day society.
These democratic socialists are either proletarians who are not yet sufficiently clear about the conditions of the liberation of their class, or they are representatives of the petty bourgeoisie, a class which, prior to the achievement of democracy and the socialist measures to which it gives rise, has many interests in common with the proletariat.
It follows that, in moments of action, the communists will have to come to an understanding with these democratic socialists, and in general to follow as far as possible a common policy with them – provided that these socialists do not enter into the service of the ruling bourgeoisie and attack the communists.
It is clear that this form of co-operation in action does not exclude the discussion of differences.```
Tfw Marxists can define socialist, and communist. But capitalists don't get to define capitalist.
fucking read the principles of communism by engels. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
Lmao
capitalists **do define how capitalism operates**
marxist just **observe** how the capitalist manage capitalism.
jfc
^
OK well socialists define(d) how socialism operates in socialist states, like in modern China and in the old Soviet Union. We just observe how it operates.
in b4 leo is like "but ENGELS is wrong on communists vs socialists."
lol no capitalists don't analyse at all how socialism operates in the soviet union. in stead they produce propaganda against it.
Hahaha
Yes there hasn't been a single economist analyze the economy of the USSR
Like they ignore that they reintroduced capitalism in 88 and that’s what killed it
Do as I say not as I do, filthy capitalist.
all Keynesian economics and non-neo liberal economists were pretty much purged in the 1970s and 1980s to allow the disaster that is neoliberalism capitalism, to trust their analysis on socialist states when they're basically cheerleaders for capitalism isn't something i'd like to do.
Keynesianism hasn't been purged are you daft
it's only in the age of post 2008 that post-Keynesian and Keynesian thought has recovered because neo liberals created the disaster that is the 2008 crash.
ThAnKS nEo LiBerAlISM
Robert Solow
Stiglitz
Big names in modern Keynesianism
the 2008 crash was the cause of neoliberalism? when was practices that caused the crash illegal or attempted at being prevented in pre-neoliberalism?
seems like a kinda unfair comparison, its the system itself
"Stop being poor, work harder" is dumb lmao
It should be "Stop reproducing if you're poor, there's not enough resources for your offspring"
Indeed
Very true.
This is applicable in any economic system, whether it be communist or capitalist
The alternative will bleed your civilization dry of resources
Is Karde being a twat again?
When is he not? <:GWcfcThonk:357907199928041473>
Literally never.
I can imagine him getting bullied at school.
For being the one kid who just has an autistic break down every 10 seconds.
Lmao
ok if you want it to be so i guess i'm an autistic twat who breaks down every ten seconds and gets bullied at school but urm what the fuck does this change?
Who's Karde
Nvm