@Marini put that in Misc Discussions

Oh dang strict moderation

Alrighty

with all the work Doug Jones put in, he got 92% of Hillary's vote. You could consider this to be around the ceiling for Democrats in Alabama

Correct. Democrats have a Hillary-ceiling vote nearly everywhere.

At least in deep red states

assuming the same pattern holds, it will be tough to take Pennsylvania from Bob Casey

@Nuke yeah, this ceiling could just be for deep red areas

I actually doubt Hillary's voter turnout will stay in areas that the media proudly proclaims will be smashed by muh blue tsunami

This nominated the GOP in 2010 but Republicans had neither the internal problems nor the the external problems the Democrats are facing.

yeah, there are going to be Democratic voters who turned out for Hillary who will stay home. The question is, how many?

also, there are going to be Democratic voters who stayed home for Hillary who will turn out for this November. So, another question is, how many ?

GOP turnout in these special elections has plummeted, but that could partly be the fact that they're special elections, which makes them think "why bother?"

for PA-18 and AZ-08, it's just ~6-7 months away from November

In Virginia, 500K stayed home--and many more Trump voters stayed home or voted Northam _because he ran as a moderate_.

Gillespie focused almost entirely on federal issues, and on each and every one of those issues, Northam compromised.

So it became literally a symbolic vote for Trump--and nothing more.

I think Trump is aware of the fact that he needs to fire with all cylinders between now and November

he rallied for Saccone, he sent out a Tweet for Lesko (and for Handel)

he'll likely do even more for the general election in November

Trump has probably been aware of that since November 2016.

He needs to win the midterms.

which is better than what Obama did in 2010

IIRC Obama just sat on his ass for 2010

There were already scandals about Democrats rigging the midterms in 2016.

I think he was bogged down by trying to get Obamacare passed

Obama came out with a terrible slogan and campaigned as much as he vacationed, but his campaigning was fruitless and became an anti-Obama talking point.

also, a HUGE portion of his minority and youth base would turn out for Presidential elections if he was on the ballot, but not congressional elections

"The Campaigner-in-Chief..."

what was his slogan ?

Winning the Future

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2010

"Candidates and voters in 2010 focused on national economic conditions and the economic policies of the Obama Administration and Congressional Democrats. Attention was paid to public anger over the Wall Street bailout signed into law by President George W. Bush in late 2008. Voters were also motivated for and against the sweeping reforms of the health care system enacted by Democrats in 2010, as well as concerns over tax rates and record deficits.[10] At the time of the election, unemployment was over 9%, and had not declined significantly since Barack Obama had become President. Further eroding public trust in Congress were a series of scandals that saw Democratic Representatives Charlie Rangel and Maxine Waters, as well as Republican Senator John Ensign, all accused of unethical and/or illegal conduct in the months leading up to the 2010 election."

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The fiscally-focused and quasi-libertarian Tea Party movement was a vocal force in mobilizing voters for Republican candidates nationwide. Their widespread exposure in the media contributed to the election's focus on economic, rather than social, issues. In the opinion of Fox News political analyst Dick Morris, a "fundamental change" occurred in which social issues did not dominate Republican activism in 2010, because "economic and fiscal issues prevail. The Tea Party has made the Republican Party safe for libertarians."[11]

Immigration reform had become an important issue in 2010, particularly following the passage of Arizona Senate Bill 1070, officially known as the Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act. The Act greatly enhanced the power of Arizona's law enforcement agencies to investigate the immigration status of suspected illegal immigrants and to enforce state and national immigration laws. The Act also required immigrants to carry their immigration documentation on their person at all times. Its passage by a Republican-led legislature and its subsequent and very public signing by Jan Brewer, the Republican Governor of Arizona, ignited protests across the Southwest and galvanized political opinion among both pro-immigration Latino groups and Tea Party activists, many of whom supported stronger measures to stem illegal immigration."

"The passage of the controversial Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act also contributed to the low approval ratings of Congress, particularly Democrats, in the months leading up to the election. Many Republicans ran on a promise to repeal the law, and beat incumbent Democratic opponents who had voted in favor of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act."

leftists essentially have their own TEA Party in the form of the reeesist crowd

but the question is

Will Republicans in 2018 sit on their asses like Democrats in 2010?

my current prediction is that there will essentially be two waves canceling each other out

You might be right but we want to actually win.

@Nuke yeah, that's why you gotta hope for a massive scandal affecting the Democratic Party before Nov 6, or more than one

the reeeesisters are a vocal minority, but you can count on them to turn out