Message from @lancerelliott {CARTHAGE}

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2018-10-08 02:24:11 UTC  

democratically remove democracy

2018-10-08 02:24:16 UTC  

yes

2018-10-08 02:24:18 UTC  

as hitler did

2018-10-08 02:25:04 UTC  

Hitler was a centrist though.

2018-10-08 02:25:10 UTC  

he was far left

2018-10-08 02:25:20 UTC  

national SOCIALIST

2018-10-08 02:25:24 UTC  

Woke.

2018-10-08 02:27:52 UTC  

In all fairness, Hitler and Mussolini were complex in terms of economical policy. Both of them extensivley nationalized key industry and created federal work programs alongside investing in infrastructure; a key component of Kenysian economics. However, Hitler and Mussolini also privatized large portions of the economy, most notably the Autobahn. However, I remain firm in my conviction that both are left-wing due to the fact Hitler and Mussolini both established heavy government infulence and regulation over the small private sector that still existed, often resulting in mutually-benefical relationships in which the state gained taxes and political loyalty, and in return, the cooperations received monopolies.

2018-10-08 02:37:27 UTC  

The Nazi government took the stance that enterprises should be in private hands wherever possible. [41] State ownership was to be avoided unless it was absolutely necessary for rearmament or the war effort, and even in those cases “the Reich often insisted on the inclusion in the contract of an option clause according to which the private firm operating the plant was entitled to purchase it.”[42] Companies privatized by the Nazis included the four major commercial banks in Germany, which had all come under public ownership during the prior years: Commerz– und Privatbank , Deutsche Bank und Disconto-Gesellschaft , Golddiskontbank and Dresdner Bank . [43][44] Also privatized were the Deutsche Reichsbahn (German Railways), at the time the largest single public enterprise in the world, the Vereinigte Stahlwerke A.G. (United Steelworks), the second largest joint-stock company in Germany (the largest was IG Farben) and Vereinigte Oberschlesische Hüttenwerke AG , a company controlling all of the metal production in the Upper Silesian coal and steel industry. The government also sold a number of shipbuilding companies, and enhanced private utilities at the expense of municipally owned utilities companies.[45] Additionally, the Nazis privatized some public services which had been previously provided by the government, especially social and labor-related services, and these were mainly taken over by organizations affiliated with the Nazi Party that could be trusted to apply Nazi racial policies.[46]

2018-10-08 02:37:37 UTC  

One of the reasons for the Nazi privatization policy was to cement the partnership between the government and business interests.[47] Another reason was financial. As the Nazi government faced budget deficits due to its military spending, privatization was one of the methods it used to raise more funds.[48] Between the fiscal years 1934-35 and 1937-38, privatization represented 1.4 percent of the German government's revenues.[49] There was also an ideological motivation. Nazi ideology held entrepreneurship in high regard, and “private property was considered a precondition to developing the creativity of members of the German race in the best interest of the people. [50] The Nazi leadership believed that “private property itself provided important incentives to achieve greater cost consciousness, efficiency gains, and technical progress.” [51] Adolf Hitler used Social Darwinist arguments to support this stance, cautioning against “bureaucratic managing of the economy” that would preserve the weak and “represent a burden to the higher ability, industry and value.” [52]

2018-10-08 02:45:19 UTC  

@lancerelliott {CARTHAGE} Also the guy in charge of the Economic policy of Nazi Germany was never a member of the NSDAP and was a member of the German Democratic Party a Classical Liberal party

2018-10-08 02:46:07 UTC  

ie he was more or less a Libertarian

2018-10-08 02:48:01 UTC  

@Walter Johnson He was only in charge prewar. It was Walther Funk and Albert Speer who forged the wartime economic policy of the Germany, and the atrocities that came with it.

2018-10-08 02:48:40 UTC  

He was the one who helped create Germany's economic recovery

2018-10-08 02:50:19 UTC  

I know of him. I was not aware some of his social stances were libertarian. I also know he gravley disapproved of Hitler's actions during the later parts of the war.

2018-10-08 02:50:41 UTC  

Either way, libertarians don't ally with those who would use state force to persecute, purge, displace, and otherwise ```violate the NApaPPPP!```

2018-10-08 02:51:24 UTC  

Yeah if I remeber he was part of some conspiracys against Hitler in the rank up to the war

2018-10-08 02:52:05 UTC  

He was part of a resistance group yes.

2018-10-08 02:52:11 UTC  

They never acheived signifigant sucess.

2018-10-08 02:52:19 UTC  

Its what saved him from hanging during the numeburg trials.

2018-10-08 02:56:13 UTC  

Vilfredo Pareto was also another Classical Liberal Economist who was a suppertor of Fasism because he thought it would bring his free market ideas

2018-10-08 02:58:11 UTC  

He thought wrong now did he.

2018-10-08 02:58:30 UTC  

@Walter Johnson You wanna talk about this in VC?

2018-10-08 02:59:09 UTC  

there are a bunch of people in VC so probably not

2018-10-08 02:59:24 UTC  

There is always private calls but alright.

2018-10-08 02:59:36 UTC  

So what label do you plant above your head, politically speaking?

2018-10-08 03:13:06 UTC  
2018-10-08 03:17:20 UTC  

@Julien Blanc have to be quiet, sorry. parents are sleeping.

2018-10-08 03:21:31 UTC  
2018-10-08 04:33:00 UTC  

What do you guys think of Patrick Little’s 2020 presidential run as a Democrat?

2018-10-08 04:46:28 UTC  

Pretty little of a run

2018-10-08 04:46:30 UTC  

Lol

2018-10-08 04:57:34 UTC  

@The Eternal Armenian it's a farce but it's entertaining

2018-10-08 04:59:48 UTC  

Would be great if a conservative outlet does the “Democrats are the real Nazis” bit when reporting on him and then the Dems have to disavow.

2018-10-08 04:59:52 UTC  

Would make for a fun shitshow.

2018-10-08 05:03:35 UTC  

@Julien Blanc May be worthwhile to invite a few of our most active members to participate on uselectionatlas.org

2018-10-08 05:06:11 UTC  

I'd love to see more diversity on there