I think Sanders might be dead by then, but if he's still alive and has the energy to campaign, I see him taking it

I think he still may be unpalatable to the general population

Unless a recession happens

Trump vs Sanders 2020 --> South and Mountain States goes for Trump....if the economy is doing great and manufacturing has been brought back, I don't think Sanders' rust belt appeal will be enough, so the rust belt goes to Trump

Patrick- May actually be a real threat, however as someone who grew up with him as our governor he has his share of controversy and proven corruption. (tax evasion)

Jobs atm are returning, I think if we hold the line we'd keep the rust belt

which means a Trump victory...at the same time, a lot of moderates and independents will go to Trump, and I bet that a lot of people will be disenfranchised by the left, so maybe even states in the Northeast and West Coast will go to Trump

I'd hold off on that

NY and other similar states can go red in 2020

@FLanon I wouldn't

Unless we get some extreme voter ID, and I think this is a stretch too, I don't see these places going red

Sanders- Biggest threat IMO, will have more support than Hillary so we need to pay attention to him. also: WE MUST NEVER ASSUME JUST CAUSE HE IS OLD THAT HE WILL CROAK, AS LONG AS THEY ARE BREATHING WE MUST TREAT THEM AS IF THEY ARE IN 100% PERFECT HEALTH

I definitely think he'll have a Moore-ish type energy at 79 years old

@FLanon if we have massive turnout in upstate NY, Staten Island, and Long Island, coupled with many people in NYC being normalized toward Trump, I see NY turning red

You can't go to 4 states in one day at that condition

now, on to the other possible candidates

Warren- litteral cunt, anyone right of center, or even a little left of center will hate her or already does.

Trump vs Warren: IMO this could be a repeat of 1972, with Trump winning every state except Massachusetts

@Red Storm (in NYC) I'd be completely thrilled for you if that happened, I don't see how this happens with all the polarization nowadays though

Trump vs McCauliffe/BidenBrown/Cuomo/Murphy: Trump easily wins. Maybe also winning almost every state

no I think mass may vote her out this year, I don;t even think she has a guarantee at winning here in 2020 if she runs

You think Shiva has the chutzpah to make that happen

@FLanon my reasoning is the people who fanatically hate Trump will be worn out by 2020

I hope to christ he does

so it doesn't matter how polarized it is

I sure as hell would be a reeeesister back in 2013

I have no clue how they'll be by then

plus we got Gen Z

there will be lots of current reeeesisters who will change their mind in the months and years to come

I've got the fingers crossed with then hopefully

I've met girls here in NYC, fresh out of high school, who told me that they used to be SJWs but dropped that shit fast after getting a little open minded

interesting

@FLanon Yeah I can name two specific cases off the top of my head

tbh the big 3 imo are BIDEN, SANDERS, WARREN

in that order

both white girls

I'd agree

The white vote will definitely get the Mississippi effect, as the country has more minorities the white vote may become more and more conservative

Trump vs Biden: the groping scandal might be neutralized because the Dems will use that shit against Trump as well, though there are no photos of Trump actually doing it

thots are realizing they get better dickings and $$$ going after the right

the thing is, Trump vs Biden could very well be similar to Reagan vs Mondale