there's no such thing as a free lunch; the more money welfare recipiants demand on the tax payers to fill their pockets, the more of a burdan it is on the people who are working to pay taxes

with that in mind, I believe welfare shouldn't be anything more than a temporary supplimental solution

I also think it should be more up to the people to handle these sort of things, especially considering how there had previously before the healthcare system was in place, been a system in which a union-like organization was structured around workers who searched for the most effective, as well as cheapest doctors they could find

I also believe we should restrict social security eligibility to an extent

I think social security is a fraud

a lot of old immigrants come in here and immediately become eligible even though they haven't worked in the US

the issue is how do you convince people to defund the social security fund

its already being consumed at a rate higher than it can be filled

Yeah, that's a big problem

its very unstable

I don't count on it lasting much more than a decade, at best

I think we should restrict it to immigrants who haven't been here since a certain age

like if you come at 60 you shouldn't be eligible

something like that

there is also an issue with pre-existing conditions

Because the idea is: you work your whole life and get payroll taxes, then you are rewarded with a certain amound of money in your old age

>rewarded

its your money

Yeah lmao

you're never going to get anything near what you put in when you were younger anyway

literally thousands of dollars, gone

I unironically think that it should be up to the kid to sign up for social security when they're older and stuff

People put up with it though because it's a form of retirement fund so they don't have to work

That's a good idea

its only a good idea for people who are too incompetent to handle money on their own

People would be incentivized to save

people should be, rather than just handing their money over to shady groups

@Red Storm (in NYC) I think we should add a political discussion channel for non-midterm related discussions like these, maybe #Discussions or something

our huge outer heaven discord has a discussions general alongside the main general, and it never gets used lol

people just continued arguing in the main chat anyway despite people asking them to move

either that, or they just stopped completely

We'd launch a test run maybe, see how it works

Anyways, back to welfare/social security

Maybe we could make it to where you could apply and drop from the program when you want

I can't really think of anything that we could disagree on

welfare?

or social security

@FLanon just made it

Well it's a discussion not a debate

@Red Storm (in NYC) well great we'll see how it turns out