Refraction is a big player in the debate, so if you know how it works properly, then debating will be easier

oh, yes, perfect!

It's the density of the medium that makes light refract differently

eg light traveling from air into glass

closer to the sea, the pressure (density) of the air is higher

planes don't need to dip their noses down to follow a curve

I don't care

I'm talking refraction still

air planes are caleed planes on flat earth, on a globe they would be called air curves

if you're using that as an actual argument, I don't know what to say

`from aéro- ‘air’ + Greek -planos ‘wandering’.`

planes follow the plane of flat earth

That's what they want you to think fire

mechanical gyroscopes work on flat earth, don't work on a globe

help keep the plane level

and give the pilot an ability to see the horizon without actually seeing it

Atmospheric refraction only makes things seem higher than they are, not lower.

air planes do need to keep turning to go due west or due east, because that does curve like a circle around flat earth

peripláni̱si̱ = wandering
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the-meaning-of/greek-word-bec6f8e855361fd893d16d990b8656acd79deb8d.html


planétés -- or aka "planet" = (Wandering Star)
https://biblehub.com/greek/4107.htm

on a ball they wouldn't need to keep turning, they could just go due west or due east and stay on that course

without constantly course correcting

slow down a little.

the fact is we live on a flat earth where all directions are south

You're avoiding refraction

no matter where you head, your heading south if you stay going in that same direction

compass points east or west, keep going in that direction and it will turn south eventually as you keep going in that same direction

why, because you live on a flat earth and not a globe

ice wall, antartica blocking all southern exits

You're still avoiding refraction :/

I am 100% going to address your other points

but not until we finish with refraction

you are moving slow like a snail

being slow doesn't prove your point

you have extremely smart people, smarter than me, saying that they have found no curve

I'm not saying it does, I'm waiting for you to give me evidence against "atmospheric refraction makes things appear higher, not lower" using accurate explanations of how refraction works

who cares what direction stuff appears

it doesn't matter what refraction is doing vs reality

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a04c6df7269268394ce2348d6476bf22-c

we are concerned about the actual shape of the planet, not how light bends

I do

it doesn't matter, we are past that