light refraction does

Gravitu doesn't curve light on earth. Thats a theory of gravitational lensing looking at stars

i'm using the sun as an example. it works with the earth as well

Show me your model for refraction

it's the gravity well that causes curvature of light

Prove it.

so light is "bent" for lack of a better word by any field of gravity. and the course of light is altered by passing through any medium whether that's glass or air. so the angle of light moving through the air is at a slightly different angle to when it enters it and when it reflects off an object it reflects at the same angle but earth creates a well of gravity that also curves light. you're under the impression that relativity only applies to stars and not planets which isn't true. it applies to anything with a gravity well as it has nothing to do with a body emitting light

suggestion: take some high level science classes and apply the stuff you learn to relevant experiments and you will find that they are *very* precise

https://www.quora.com/If-gravitational-lensing-is-true-why-does-the-light-from-sun-reach-earth

Still waiting for you to prove gravitational lensing observed on earth.

You believe in science fiction

We dont need to take high level science classes to know gravitational lensing is a theory

Hope you are bringing proof this time..getting tired of you trying to push personal beliefs here

no, i believe in science not sm bs scifi. whoever wrote that question has no idea what they're talking about and fair enough for wanting to know more so allow me to elaborate: light is emitted from the sun. its gravity well is strong but it's nothing in comparison to a black hole which emits light as well in very low frequency. so the photons can escape the well with ease. so i think you might be confusing gravitational lensing with relativity here as relativity precisely calculated how much the light would be "bent" by the gravity of the sun so please tell me how that is not proof of relativity. i'm not pushing personal beliefs in the slightest if anything you are the one pushing personal beliefs with no proof

so please, disprove relativity

in addition it's not even the gravity curving light. it's the curvature of space-time caused by the gravity well of an object with mass

If you had an experiment that proved the earth was moving, you could disprove relativity.

Prove general relativity

Thats your new project

so general relativity has been thoroughly proven many times hence i ask *you* to disprove it

this is very interesting to read

most of the experiments proving it were designed to disprove it so please

disprove it

There is no experiment proving it

Thats why its still a theory

Its science. Science isnt fact. Its a method

so the observation of light being curved in curved space-time being proven during a solar eclipse wasn't an experiment that proved it?

Show me the scientific method used to prove general relativity

@Koro observation doesnt prove causation

so do u want the wiki link or papers because with the level of intelligence you're displaying suggest that the wiki is the more appropriate

ok so explain other causes

You want to be banned?

do u want to listen to reason?

You have no reasoning

Just beliefs

I think it sounds more like reasoning than beliefs, but thats just me. it seems like koro is the only one trying to have a discussion and youre just constantly asking them to 'prove it' rather than giving your input. just something i noticed

ok so GTR hasn't been disproven. it was ammended by stephen hawking more recently as GTR was designed for a static universe. this is a theory that is over a century old and hasn't been disproven. every experiment that was designed to flaw it failed. gravitational lensing while yeah observation is not causation what else could be a factor here? it is precisely calculated with GTR suggesting that it is the factor of curved space-time. the equivalence principle also proves this (give it a quick search as it's a bit of a pain to explain). ether was a concept that would've flawed GTR but lo and behold it didn't so now provide me with anything that disproves GTR. it has withstood a century of people attempting to disprove it with everything they could think of and and yet it didn't manage to so if you can good luck

@waitress how do you disprove something thats not been proven? (The warping of space-time)

No scientist has ever proven gravitational lensing and every scientist admits it cant be observed on earth. Koro made the claim it can be. Asking for proof is normal in that instance. Its a bold claim.

He also claims that c02 levels above. 04 percent gave him cognitive impairment. Saying he performed an experiment. Asking for proof of this is also normal as his claim is bold and goes against measured known limitations of co2 for humans.

@Citizen Z I am contrary to your position, but I agree with you that @Koro is not providing either good arguments or solid evidence.

I just think there should be more talking or more research rather than a 'prove it' after everything, if that makes sense.

So as not to appear hypocritical, I'll provide this for a possible piece of evidence for general relativity. https://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=137628