Like 400 distance closer to the sub and 400x smaller or something.

Sun*

It allows eclipses

The earth is a trapiziod

uhuh

Do flat earthers have an explanation for why there is a Southern polar star but no South pole on any flat Earth models?

If we were on a spinning ball we would see straight lines across the sky not perfect circuits around the magnetic poles as if it's a magnetic field.

From that very last image, im guessing that's supposed to be a globe and the lines are showing the star trails

Those are straight lines from that perspective, but that isn't the same perspective of the stars that we have standing on Earth.

The lines are straight from the perspective of, let's say, floating in space away from Earth with the stars that close, but from the perspective of being on Earth, you can see the lines from the trails, and the ones away from your near center vision, about to the left and right, let's say the north and south poles were to the left and right, are visibly circles and not straight lines.

It's hard to explain, and is mostly visual

I explained that poorly, but a better version is that it's like hula hoops. If you have a hula hoop and hold it out towards you perfectly horizontally, it can look like a straight line. But when you raise the hula hoop above your head, it's a circle.

So by saying the star trails are like a hula hoop you are saying the stars are moving and the earth is stationary. Either way the lines are straight.

Cuz if you wanted to model it right. You would need to say we are standing on the outside of the hulu hoop, looking outward, in which case the lines would be straight also. I dont think you understand how simple this is. Star trails prove we are not on a spinning ball. Doesn't mean it's a flat earth. Just not a spinning ball.

The lines are curved because the earth is spinning, those images you provided support the claim that the earth is found

round

No. The images show the star circuits matching a basic toroidial field. If we were on a spinning ball you would see straight lines if you looked directly above you. But you dont, you see rounded circuits bending around the poles just as if you are looking at toroidial field from below it.

Those images of the stars aren't looking straight up, and one of them is using a wide angled lense

If you used a regular lense and positioned your camera so that the stars were completely vertical, they would be straight

They dont look straight because we aren't on a spinning globe

No they dont look straight

Show me straight star trails away from the equator

How straight, for each trail to be straight?

Ima eat then brb

They would all be straight if you were on a spinning ball

https://youtu.be/-Ym6-hGbG38

Watch the video. There is more to it then what I've said

Ok, now I get what you're saying.
The photo at 4:53 is using a wide angled lens I think, but the other photos, that's just how it would look on a spinning ball. The star trails you made on paper would look like straight lines, but that isn't the perspective people take photos from on Earth. If you drew the star trails *on* the ball, not away from it, then the stars would curve away from the equator because those stars aren't on the equator. Only the stars on the equator make straight lines.

Stars basically curve away from the equator because they aren't aligned with the equator, or not on the equator, so they're "trailing" but angled away from the equator

It's hard to explain because it's mostly visual, but try drawing it from the perspective of being on the ball, and it would do the same thing.

Perspective. That's a new one for the globe theory 😂

Im not talking about the perspective formula or whatevs, Im talking about the angle at which you look at something

From the angle you drew on paper, the lines are straight. From the perspective of standing *on* the ball, it would look the same as in the photos.

You're drawing the star trails from a different perspective than the actual photos

Quick question: @Citizen Z you said that the stars follow paths similar to that of a magnetic field. Slight problem with that, a flat Earth can't have two magnetic poles that would result in a field of that shape, because South has to always point outwards. Since the south pole would be stretched out over the ice wall, kind of like a ring magnet, you wouldn't get the patterns seen above, because there's no pole for the stars to move around.

yeh, same reason why a southern polar star is impossible on a flat Earth yet it exists

Think of a bar magnet