Message from @April

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2019-03-16 01:36:21 UTC  

so the modern anarchist solution is to instead adopt alternative ways of living

2019-03-16 01:36:24 UTC  

that don't rely on ownership

2019-03-16 01:36:32 UTC  

this is *very* difficult to do right now under capitalism

2019-03-16 01:37:06 UTC  

but ideally we should be going the way of offgrid people (who are usually libertarian) along with making individual communes and smaller communities

2019-03-16 01:37:16 UTC  

so far it's not going too well

2019-03-16 01:37:26 UTC  

because trying to replace all infrastructure is very expensive

2019-03-16 01:37:33 UTC  

and not too many people support it just yet

2019-03-16 01:37:38 UTC  

i see

2019-03-16 01:38:00 UTC  

so right now a lot of anarchists tend to support progressive candidates who help remove capitalist reliance, and focus on buildin alternative ways of living

2019-03-16 01:38:00 UTC  

Is there anarchist politicians rn?

2019-03-16 01:38:04 UTC  

no

2019-03-16 01:38:18 UTC  

best we've got are some communists and progressives

2019-03-16 01:38:24 UTC  

Oh that makes it kinda hard

2019-03-16 01:38:31 UTC  

without support from powerfull people

2019-03-16 01:38:59 UTC  

it's funny because anarchists naturally tend towards "I don't want to lead nor anyone to lead" but also go "well these communists are kinda like us, so we'll support them to advance our goals"

2019-03-16 01:39:25 UTC  

but feel free to think about it yourself. Imagine you're fed up with the world

2019-03-16 01:39:28 UTC  

and want to live on your own

2019-03-16 01:39:34 UTC  

or maybe with a small group

2019-03-16 01:39:39 UTC  

how would you go about doing it?

2019-03-16 01:40:01 UTC  

Id probably go to a farm or small town

2019-03-16 01:40:06 UTC  

generally speaking most people don't know how to farm nor have the land for it. We can't build our own electronics nor generate our electricity

2019-03-16 01:40:16 UTC  

some people can build, but we don't have the materials to do it

2019-03-16 01:40:31 UTC  

things like mining are pretty heavily regulated and under statist/capitalist control

2019-03-16 01:40:47 UTC  

What if they use communist to rise in power a little, and then "betray" the commies?

2019-03-16 01:41:32 UTC  

see the problem is that you have your leading communist+anarchist party

2019-03-16 01:41:34 UTC  

and then the masses

2019-03-16 01:41:44 UTC  

the masses start supporting the party, and are either communist or anarchist

2019-03-16 01:41:53 UTC  

the anarchists then go "fuck you we're done with this"

2019-03-16 01:41:57 UTC  

and try to dismantle

2019-03-16 01:42:02 UTC  

so all the anarchists pull support

2019-03-16 01:42:13 UTC  

the communists go 🤷 and continue their powerstructure

2019-03-16 01:42:22 UTC  

and we end up with the same communist system

2019-03-16 01:42:28 UTC  

Oh thats bad

2019-03-16 01:42:39 UTC  

anarchists could perhaps try *enforcing* anarchism

2019-03-16 01:42:50 UTC  

but the problem is that without the support communists will just continue pushing communism

2019-03-16 01:43:01 UTC  

and historically they have outnumbered us anyway

2019-03-16 01:43:06 UTC  

as anarchism is kinda a weird idea

2019-03-16 01:43:14 UTC  

I see

2019-03-16 01:43:14 UTC  

and one that really is only attractive in today's society

2019-03-16 01:43:19 UTC  

rather than in a historic communist one

2019-03-16 01:43:29 UTC  

like today we can easily imagine automated systems doing a lot of cool stuff