without support from powerfull people

it's funny because anarchists naturally tend towards "I don't want to lead nor anyone to lead" but also go "well these communists are kinda like us, so we'll support them to advance our goals"

but feel free to think about it yourself. Imagine you're fed up with the world

and want to live on your own

or maybe with a small group

how would you go about doing it?

Id probably go to a farm or small town

generally speaking most people don't know how to farm nor have the land for it. We can't build our own electronics nor generate our electricity

some people can build, but we don't have the materials to do it

things like mining are pretty heavily regulated and under statist/capitalist control

What if they use communist to rise in power a little, and then "betray" the commies?

see the problem is that you have your leading communist+anarchist party

and then the masses

the masses start supporting the party, and are either communist or anarchist

the anarchists then go "fuck you we're done with this"

and try to dismantle

so all the anarchists pull support

the communists go 🤷 and continue their powerstructure

and we end up with the same communist system

Oh thats bad

anarchists could perhaps try *enforcing* anarchism

but the problem is that without the support communists will just continue pushing communism

and historically they have outnumbered us anyway

as anarchism is kinda a weird idea

I see

and one that really is only attractive in today's society

rather than in a historic communist one

like today we can easily imagine automated systems doing a lot of cool stuff

but back then?

Is there any effective way for you guys to rise in power and stay?

like legit most people were farmers and working in factories

the only way to really do that would be to go against anarchism

since the whole point is to *not* have a coercive violent government enforcing it's will

this is why IMO the best solution is to instead focus on building alternatives

rather than trying to fuck with the existing stuff

maybe make nonprofit organizations that help push anarchist causes

do anarchist acts even if illegal

etc

I see

digitally this is really easy

we have stuff like scihub and torrents