so basically: tear down and become a dictatorship, or build up and become communist then a dictatorship

and dictatorships with ownership and communist distribution give rise to black markets and capitalism

hence the horrible cycle anarchists find ourselves in

i see, so you guys basically have no way to rule without becoming a dictatorship?

not quite

so the issue is that since ownership is still in place, that naturally leads to capitalism no matter the route

communists support ownership due to their economic model

which is why it always collapses

the problem historically is that anarchists have not yet dismantled the ownership expectation

under capitalism it's impossible to do

under communism the only way to do it is through government changes

So didnt any anarchist think about a violent uprising, for a "greater good"?

right, that's why we got the second route of tearing things down

the idea is to just overthrow government and reject it's power

but given societal expectations and ways of living, it still results in capitalism

Oh

so the modern anarchist solution is to instead adopt alternative ways of living

that don't rely on ownership

this is *very* difficult to do right now under capitalism

but ideally we should be going the way of offgrid people (who are usually libertarian) along with making individual communes and smaller communities

so far it's not going too well

because trying to replace all infrastructure is very expensive

and not too many people support it just yet

i see

so right now a lot of anarchists tend to support progressive candidates who help remove capitalist reliance, and focus on buildin alternative ways of living

Is there anarchist politicians rn?

no

best we've got are some communists and progressives

Oh that makes it kinda hard

without support from powerfull people

it's funny because anarchists naturally tend towards "I don't want to lead nor anyone to lead" but also go "well these communists are kinda like us, so we'll support them to advance our goals"

but feel free to think about it yourself. Imagine you're fed up with the world

and want to live on your own

or maybe with a small group

how would you go about doing it?

Id probably go to a farm or small town

generally speaking most people don't know how to farm nor have the land for it. We can't build our own electronics nor generate our electricity

some people can build, but we don't have the materials to do it

things like mining are pretty heavily regulated and under statist/capitalist control

What if they use communist to rise in power a little, and then "betray" the commies?

see the problem is that you have your leading communist+anarchist party