Message from @April

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2019-03-16 01:42:13 UTC  

the communists go 🤷 and continue their powerstructure

2019-03-16 01:42:22 UTC  

and we end up with the same communist system

2019-03-16 01:42:28 UTC  

Oh thats bad

2019-03-16 01:42:39 UTC  

anarchists could perhaps try *enforcing* anarchism

2019-03-16 01:42:50 UTC  

but the problem is that without the support communists will just continue pushing communism

2019-03-16 01:43:01 UTC  

and historically they have outnumbered us anyway

2019-03-16 01:43:06 UTC  

as anarchism is kinda a weird idea

2019-03-16 01:43:14 UTC  

I see

2019-03-16 01:43:14 UTC  

and one that really is only attractive in today's society

2019-03-16 01:43:19 UTC  

rather than in a historic communist one

2019-03-16 01:43:29 UTC  

like today we can easily imagine automated systems doing a lot of cool stuff

2019-03-16 01:43:31 UTC  

but back then?

2019-03-16 01:43:42 UTC  

Is there any effective way for you guys to rise in power and stay?

2019-03-16 01:43:45 UTC  

like legit most people were farmers and working in factories

2019-03-16 01:44:02 UTC  

the only way to really do that would be to go against anarchism

2019-03-16 01:44:16 UTC  

since the whole point is to *not* have a coercive violent government enforcing it's will

2019-03-16 01:44:35 UTC  

this is why IMO the best solution is to instead focus on building alternatives

2019-03-16 01:44:40 UTC  

rather than trying to fuck with the existing stuff

2019-03-16 01:44:52 UTC  

maybe make nonprofit organizations that help push anarchist causes

2019-03-16 01:44:59 UTC  

do anarchist acts even if illegal

2019-03-16 01:44:59 UTC  

etc

2019-03-16 01:45:04 UTC  

I see

2019-03-16 01:45:06 UTC  

digitally this is really easy

2019-03-16 01:45:12 UTC  

we have stuff like scihub and torrents

2019-03-16 01:45:19 UTC  

that help share knowledge and media to all

2019-03-16 01:45:29 UTC  

copyright is a very easy thing to reject

2019-03-16 01:45:42 UTC  

we've also got censorship resistent distributed networks and infrastructure

2019-03-16 01:45:50 UTC  

so things like website takedowns can't happen

2019-03-16 01:46:14 UTC  

the hardware for the internet is still reliant on the statist+capitalist one, but mesh networks are being built that avoid that

2019-03-16 01:46:30 UTC  

and I mentioned earlier about electricity and solar power and all that

2019-03-16 01:46:38 UTC  

If no one owns anything, how would internet work?

2019-03-16 01:47:03 UTC  

it's a complicated question

2019-03-16 01:47:27 UTC  

so as it stands the anarchist idea of using things that exist, is that people should be free to use them if they please and see fit

2019-03-16 01:47:36 UTC  

so building systems around that is the goal

2019-03-16 01:47:54 UTC  

a modern day example would be those bikes and cars you pay to use and then park when you're done and someone else can pay and use them

2019-03-16 01:48:07 UTC  

or something like public transportation

2019-03-16 01:48:13 UTC  

I see

2019-03-16 01:48:15 UTC  

just remove the payment models and pretend no one owns them

2019-03-16 01:48:43 UTC  

for the internet, it's structured using routers and wires/wireless connections

2019-03-16 01:48:49 UTC  

and then we have individual devices connect to it

2019-03-16 01:48:58 UTC  

so basically we've have nodes, similar to how cell towers are