could you elaborate on why you think it is gross?

Rule by a king or queen? Rather than Democracy. That’s not cool the level of corruption would be insane

Wouldn't it be the opposite? A monarch has the ability to be above politics. You can't really bribe a monarch, you don't have to worry about appealing to the populous, you can achieve long term goals instead of having your enemies undo your work every so many years.

Democracy is flawed but it’s the best we got. Maybe longer terms could aid the problems you see but we can have a coup every 4 years and not be hanged for it. Monarchism has more or less been vanquished from the world for good reason. Birth right to power is not my cup of tea

And it sounds nice if the monarch is somebody you agree with but imagine a communist socially liberal transgender monarch that you can’t vote out

Not all monarchs have to be based on bloodline

look at the papacy

Is the pope not elected by the college of cardinals?

Yes hence it not being based on bloodline

The Pope sits on the throne of Peter is the monarch of the Vatican and the head of Christendom

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I think the leader of a nation needs to accurately represent the mindset of the people at the time which is why democracy is the best we have. Like I mentioned If there’s a transgender progressive socially liberal communist as the monarch you are stuck with them as long as they live instead of having the power to replace them

Maybe removing term limits is a good solution

And unchecked power never goes well

The mindset of the people is heading towards all those things you describe.

Because of immigration

I don't think a monarch who is upholding a traditional hierarchy would be a communist

But you couldn’t possibly assure that

Who decides the monarch?

There’s a lot wrong with that

Are you advocating for a Monarchy in America?

Well there are existing royal bloodlines and most of them are very traditional

Monarchy in America would be a tricky situation because there are multiple monarchical traditions that we could draw from

How can you even accept the idea of one all powerful king with no checks and balances. I mean that sounds sort of liberal to me, we have risen and become the greatest nation in the world in short of 300 years because of what o Ur founding fathers laid out for us and I think it’s our jobs as Conservatives to preserve it

Our*

Can you define liberalism for me? My understanding of liberalism stands in contrast to monarchism. A real liberal would bring out the guillotine upon hearing a monarch has returned.

Liberalism means radical change and I think that’s what monarchism is

Are you conserving British ideals? Or American?

How can you threaten the foundation of America and claim to be America First?

If liberalism is radical change do you view Hitler as a liberal?

We can take a modern standpoint and argue that liberal has certain connotations as it’s own political ideology now but by definition any sort of revolution is liberal

That’s not necessarily a bad thing but I’m the case of America right now that’s exactly what the AF movement is about fighting

So you support the American revolution I assume?

Yes

I’d love to talk to you about this tomorrow but I have to wake up in 3 hours so I should probably go to sleep

Have a Gn

have a good night

is this the only groyper discord?

I assume not

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@Elegit nah it's not, but it's the biggest.