Message from @Nester

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2017-02-24 17:55:11 UTC  

for me at least

2017-02-24 17:55:23 UTC  

causation itself is rational.

2017-02-24 17:57:37 UTC  

for the world to be rational, the structure of thought has to be the structure of the universe.

2017-02-24 17:57:44 UTC  

that's obviously not true

2017-02-24 17:58:07 UTC  

The presentation of a coffee cup you experience is emphatically not what's out there

2017-02-24 18:01:52 UTC  

The intelligibility of our perceptions of a layer accessible to us of what unbeknowst to us is a multilayered universe would mean an incomplete understanding but not a baseless one.

2017-02-24 18:02:23 UTC  

hey

2017-02-24 18:02:25 UTC  

you know what guys

2017-02-24 18:02:27 UTC  

i just realized

2017-02-24 18:02:30 UTC  

we're a bunch of fucking geeks

2017-02-24 18:02:43 UTC  

you see it as solid, you can reach for it, pick it up but you're not seeing it for what it is. Out there is just an inconceivable matrix of probability feilds and ripples.

2017-02-24 18:03:19 UTC  

Fuck yeah

2017-02-24 18:04:45 UTC  

You see a ball, you reach for it, you pick it up, you smell it, you bounce it around, you hear what it sounds like when bounced, but you're in fact blind and so are missing what it looks like.

2017-02-24 18:05:00 UTC  

what

2017-02-24 18:05:16 UTC  

why is it a ball

2017-02-24 18:05:28 UTC  

You've understood what was accessible to you, but what you couldn't access wouldn't render your understanding baseless.

2017-02-24 18:07:12 UTC  

What you've understood blind, intersected in some areas what one not blind would have understood.

2017-02-24 18:07:28 UTC  

that sounds needlessly complex

2017-02-24 18:08:01 UTC  

areas with what*

2017-02-24 18:09:56 UTC  

Regardless of whatever coated your understanding, this coating differing from perceiver to perceiver, remains a core of universal truth.

2017-02-24 18:10:35 UTC  

have you guys ever gone to an amatuer ice hockey game

2017-02-24 18:10:41 UTC  

or played amatuer hockey

2017-02-24 18:10:46 UTC  

or any amatuer sport for instance

2017-02-24 18:10:57 UTC  

i use hockey bc i was into it for a bit

2017-02-24 18:11:12 UTC  

when i first started going

2017-02-24 18:11:24 UTC  

i was under the impression that these were real seriously good hockey players

2017-02-24 18:11:50 UTC  

they had the full attire, head to toe. very intimidating. imposing.

2017-02-24 18:11:53 UTC  

they had the image down

2017-02-24 18:11:56 UTC  

but they were fucking rancid

2017-02-24 18:11:58 UTC  

Can a fast ice skater outrun a fast runner?

2017-02-24 18:12:03 UTC  

some of the worst players i've ever seen

2017-02-24 18:12:10 UTC  

fast land runner*

2017-02-24 18:12:26 UTC  

Look at your hand. What you see is constructed out of bits of data memory and hardwired patterns. You can feel your hand too which is born of the same sort of thing. Then wiggle your fingers a bit. That bit of intention isn't a representation at all.

You might call that consciousness which watched through your eyes and feels. You don't experience it. In fact the only time you are conscious of anything is when it resists your will. You don't feel anything with your hand unless something resists it. You don't see anything with your eyes until you can't see through something.

Which means that consciousness isn't fundamental since it obviously depends on something else to be conscious of anything.

2017-02-24 18:12:50 UTC  

they were afforded the opporunity by what they were actually skilled in, to appear as though they possessed the ability to play

2017-02-24 18:13:09 UTC  

i think this kind of sentiment is quite pervasive

2017-02-24 18:13:23 UTC  

the same thing can be said for metal

2017-02-24 18:13:27 UTC  

music in general

2017-02-24 18:14:36 UTC  

i went to see the edgewood symphony orchestra play at a unitarian church a few years back

2017-02-24 18:14:42 UTC  

once again

2017-02-24 18:14:43 UTC  

the same thing