Message from @Nester
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for me at least
causation itself is rational.
for the world to be rational, the structure of thought has to be the structure of the universe.
that's obviously not true
The presentation of a coffee cup you experience is emphatically not what's out there
The intelligibility of our perceptions of a layer accessible to us of what unbeknowst to us is a multilayered universe would mean an incomplete understanding but not a baseless one.
hey
you know what guys
i just realized
we're a bunch of fucking geeks
you see it as solid, you can reach for it, pick it up but you're not seeing it for what it is. Out there is just an inconceivable matrix of probability feilds and ripples.
Fuck yeah
You see a ball, you reach for it, you pick it up, you smell it, you bounce it around, you hear what it sounds like when bounced, but you're in fact blind and so are missing what it looks like.
what
why is it a ball
You've understood what was accessible to you, but what you couldn't access wouldn't render your understanding baseless.
What you've understood blind, intersected in some areas what one not blind would have understood.
that sounds needlessly complex
areas with what*
Regardless of whatever coated your understanding, this coating differing from perceiver to perceiver, remains a core of universal truth.
have you guys ever gone to an amatuer ice hockey game
or played amatuer hockey
or any amatuer sport for instance
i use hockey bc i was into it for a bit
when i first started going
i was under the impression that these were real seriously good hockey players
they had the full attire, head to toe. very intimidating. imposing.
they had the image down
but they were fucking rancid
Can a fast ice skater outrun a fast runner?
some of the worst players i've ever seen
fast land runner*
Look at your hand. What you see is constructed out of bits of data memory and hardwired patterns. You can feel your hand too which is born of the same sort of thing. Then wiggle your fingers a bit. That bit of intention isn't a representation at all.
You might call that consciousness which watched through your eyes and feels. You don't experience it. In fact the only time you are conscious of anything is when it resists your will. You don't feel anything with your hand unless something resists it. You don't see anything with your eyes until you can't see through something.
Which means that consciousness isn't fundamental since it obviously depends on something else to be conscious of anything.
they were afforded the opporunity by what they were actually skilled in, to appear as though they possessed the ability to play
i think this kind of sentiment is quite pervasive
the same thing can be said for metal
music in general
i went to see the edgewood symphony orchestra play at a unitarian church a few years back
once again
the same thing