but they won't do it still

well who are we talking about though?

people in general I guess

i mostly get good reactions

what they say isn't significant is it

at least for like 1-3 kids

if i start getting crazy with the numbers then i start losing them

something happened to lead to this mass change in behaviour

extreme depopulation is a common feature of the decline and fall of societies. They aren't the cause of it either.

no I understand

@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ the key is self chosen

so it's not abnormal per se

an external pressure causing reduced fertility is very understandable

there's a couple of ideas about why this has occured in modern times

one is:

http://mouseutopia.blogspot.co.uk/

Four healthy breeding pairs of mice were allowed to reproduce freely in a 'utopian' environment with ample food and water, no predators, no disease, comfortable temperature – a near as possible ideal conditions and space. What happened was described by the author in terms of five phases: establishment, exponential growth, growth slowing, breeding ceases and population stagnant, population decline and extinction:

Phase A - 104 days - establishment of the mice in their new environment, then the first litters were born.

Phase B - up to day 315 - exponential population growth doubling every 55 days.

Phase C - from day 315-560 population growth abruptly slowed to a doubling time of 145 days.

Phase D - days 560-920; population stagnant with births just matching deaths. Emergence of many pathological behaviours.

Terminal Phase E - population declining to zero. The last conception was about day 920, after which there were no more births, all females were menopausal, the colony aged and all of them died.

To summarise – when four breeding pairs of mice were allowed to reproduce under ideal ‘utopian’ conditions, the colony entirely ceased to breed after three years, and then went extinct.

I wasn't quite right about it being the only case, I guess there's this experiment too

all this stuff goes away with a bit of encouragement. people feel alienated and scared and not confident about being good parents etc, over emphasize financial concerns. i don't think past societies who had demographic declines were paying people to breed like many western countries are now.

"Four healthy breeding pairs of mice", aren't they inbreds?

there's really no excuse. people just need encouragement. overpopulation is not a problem in the west at all. let fucking asia and africa reduce theirs first.

four pairs of mice would be a quite reasonable bottleneck population that should last way more than that

i would like less people overall in the west too under ideal circumstances but that's so far from what we have now

let four breeding pairs of mice loose in say, some pacific island

they would probably overrun it if conditions were right

at least they would establish a stable population

the issue here is also the pathological behaviours

it's not just that they all died, they stopped breeding

According to Calhoun, such phenomena may take place in societies where the older generations live longer than usual and the population growth is still within normal limits. The elderly do not die fast enough, and the younger generations wait impatiently to take over certain social roles. The competition between generations becomes much more severe.

After time, the old and the young start behaving in a way they would never do in the wild. Along with behavioral changes, the organization of society declines.

Despite the popular name of the experiment, Calhoun failed to create utopian conditions. Quite the opposite, the main purpose of the experiment was to observe the reaction of mice when living in an overpopulated society. In order to create an actual utopian environment, the whole living area should have been enlarged before the start of phase C.

we're not mice. this is not an issue that requires abstract scientific analysis

That too

do the mice watch anti-mice propaganda on mice tv?

i'm a bit rustled cuz this should be such a simple issue

In other words white people are not having kids because overpopulation is a real problem.

ok i'm out for now. hail our people!

it's combination of overpopulation, retarded society and lack of purpose, gil is right when he says that people should be encouraged to reproduce

Strictly speaking about mouse Utopia

@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ overpopulation itself was not an issue in Mouse Utopia because the mice had everything they wanted

overpopulation is a malthusian issue for mankind, or considered one